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believe July 8 1947 he's on the Air

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Force one person I'll start applying

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this - found and there's now in the

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possession of the RA the game is rigged

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changed the game changer I occasionally

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worldwide would vanish if we were facing

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an alien threat from outside his way

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer Radio Network

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and K GRA

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge only Game Change in that one

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fade to black this boat radio for

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math says yeah I eat veal today's

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249 days into the new year

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from a bunker somewhere in the middle of

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beautiful downtown

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for now and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the United States hither and

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a game changer network of K GRA the

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planets I'm yours Jimmy Church

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what is Co rockin everybody how you do

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alright it's day two of our UFO week

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right here on fade to black and tonight

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our guest Stanton Friedman that's it

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right there Stanton Friedman looking

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forward to this you know he lives in I

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didn't even know it existed to be honest

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with you the Atlantic time zone it's

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east of New York by two time zones right

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it's you know it's way out you'll be

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here in a few short minutes dan Friedman

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is our guest and like all of us like all

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of us Stan Friedman has been with us for

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so long that most of us in ufology today

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are here because of Stanton Friedman

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he's been he's been just out there doing

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it for so long and so elegantly and

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tonight he is our guest tomorrow night

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day 3 of our UFO week here on fade to

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black is the return of Barry Littleton

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and that will be tomorrow night and I'm

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that just a bit Thursday is another

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Fator night with open lines all night

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long and this will be UFO phone calls

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all night okay

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UFO so your encounters your sightings

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your pictures your closing account

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everything that will be a Thursday night

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okay now you can go chase us down over

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on Twitter Facebook you too

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everything is Jimmy Church or fade to

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black and everything that you need is

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that simple at age eight urge radio is

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what you want to do right now follow me

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on twitter @ JT radio hashtag F to B is

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the sandbox hey Rita who did we who did

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speakers the boombox who want it I got a

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couple emails about that today and I I

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know somebody did I just I just didn't

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have an answer for it so we'll get that

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won yeah that's up to Rita that's not up

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was to me okay where are we sandbox F to

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alright and we also have a banners up

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over at Jimmy Church radio.com other

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breaking news today after that

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catastrophic fire that torched in the

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National Museum of Brazil this past

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Sunday destroying many of the

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institution's 20 million artifacts the

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museum's bendigo meteorite displayed in

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the lobby in the entrance which is

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completely turning ashes was left intact

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the meteorite is the largest meteorite

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ever found on Brazilian soil let's

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discover by a cattle farmer near the

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town of Monte Santo

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in the Brazilian state of Bahia back in

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1784 the bodega meteorite weighs about

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eleven thousand six hundred pounds it's

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more than twice the weight of an average

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car but it's all packed into a space

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rock the size of a small motorcycle it's

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amazing you should see the pictures I've

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got a bust one out here on Twitter this

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survived the fire

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I'm just gonna do that and it's really

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that simple I'm just going to do and

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check this out check this out it's uh

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it's unbelievable to look at this and

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when you see the picture look at the

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background look at this look at that and

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there it is

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right in the in the lobby in the

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entrance isn't that incredible it

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survived and you got to remember it

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ain't burning up it survived space and

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Earth's atmosphere right when they when

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they discover this back in 1784 the

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villagers put it on a wooden cart and

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tried to pull it through the jungle and

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they're on a path it the wheels got

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caught up in some mud the cart tipped

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over the meteorite rolled down a hill

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eleven thousand six hundred pounds

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that's it how heavy that was and you see

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the pictures of it - on the cart anyway

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roll down the hill fell into a river a

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creek where it's sat for another hundred

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years the villagers were like nah nah

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we're not moving it again and there you

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go but they finally got it through the

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museum and a hundred years ago and there

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it sits and it survived the fire also

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today following Apple Amazon is now the

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second company in the history of the

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world to be worth over 1 trillion

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dollars seriously

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at the beginning of this year the

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company Amazon was worth just 580

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billion in the second quarter the

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company's net income ballooned to 2.5

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billion compared to 197 million in the

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second quarter of 2017 I don't know

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what's going on with Amazon they seem to

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be doing everything right now of course

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they've got that they've got the

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infrastructure for that and the shipping

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and they've got all of that down but

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they also own most of the Internet just

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so you know they really do and cloud

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computing servers storage systems I

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believe that I could be wrong I was just

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gonna say I think like the NSA CIA the

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IRS all use Amazon I could be wrong

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probably not though one share of Amazon

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stock traded today for are you ready for

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this 2030 $9 per share two thousand

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dollars Apple stock you know and they

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were the first one to a trillion but

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Apple stock is trading for a couple of

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hundred bucks like two fitty 240

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something like that Amazon stock 2039

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dollars a share

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absolutely insane two companies both in

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the United States on this planet are

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worth a trillion dollars it's insane to

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it's an insane not a billion dollar

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company that's a big deal that's a

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thousand million that's that's big a

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trillion a thousand billion that is just

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it's just ginormous money don't forget

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/ i Jimmy church radio calm let's get

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this show crackin happy birthday to

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today

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years old and I'm just gonna say it

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right now okay

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major pain still makes me laugh every

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time I see it love that movie on the

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state history

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ot D speaking of Apple speaking of

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Amazon on this day in history in 1998 20

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years ago today just 20 years ago today

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Google was incorporated fader fact let's

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go fader fact if you wanted to walk from

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Finland to North Korea

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Japan and the Philippines Finland up

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here by Santa Claus if you wanted to

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walk from Finland and the North Pole to

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North Korea down here by Japan and South

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Korea right you would only have to walk

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across one country Russia seriously

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that's the fader fact it's a fader of

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fact aren't you glad you are here you

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get you get something like that right

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and you can go and drop that gem at a

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party and you'll take every bet just go

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ahead and do it and then an amazing fact

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all right tonight

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day two of our UFO week here on fade to

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black and our guest is Stanton Friedman

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tomorrow night is the return of Barry

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Littleton Thursday is another Fator

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night open lines all night long Jon

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Rappoport is out on what's the word when

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you are working on the

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he's on assignment our our producer

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at-large editor-at-large is on the road

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we'll hear back and get more next

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Thursday but this Thursday it's going to

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be your UFO phone calls all night long

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all right the fire extinguisher in the

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background is quite ironic don't you

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think I didn't see that but yeah no

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sprinkler systems I think is even more

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ironic in a museum a National Museum the

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museum all right now let me hit this

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River moon coffee keep the tradition

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going because I have often stated many

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times on this show on this show that

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homo sapien sapien us have only been

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around for about 200,000 years that's

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right

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two hundred and fifty if we stretch it

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you know a little bit and a little give

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a little take stretch it but that's it

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that's it this is a fact that is

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supported by all of our professional

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academic friends and there's no reason

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to go further here and now and I'm not

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going to but and there's always a but

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but the last 5,000 of those years have

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seen a dramatic rise in technology and

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just 150 years ago our peak was the

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steam engine think about that for a

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second 50 years after that it was the

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light bulb telephone the airplane Wright

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brothers okay go with that 100 years

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later and we are about to completely

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destroy our planet with pollution and

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global warming that's right think about

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it the rise and fall of a species in

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just two hundred thousand years

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all that work to get here and it's good

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to be brought down in decades now let's

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ask the real question let's say that

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let's say that it all ended

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let's give it you know ten years

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whatever's hey you know it all ended in

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ten years

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and it could be anything it could be

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anything it could be an asteroid nuclear

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war pollution Fukushima maybe some huge

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coronal mass ejection whatever and then

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all of us just died right gone poof done

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fini let's imagine that five million

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years from now life on earth gets

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another reboot it's happened so many

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times before right

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just another kickstart and another

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civilization Rises and we'll call this

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next one to five million years Homo

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sapiens sapiens sapiens h/ss three right

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would they know then that we today were

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ever here probably not because by that

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time the earth its oceans dirt rocks the

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continents would all have changed they

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would have all been turned over flipped

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and everything that we see today around

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us would be dust pulverized pulverized

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billions of times over CDs right

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plastic

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would they survive but they survived

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right they would right no they wouldn't

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they would not plastic bags garbage

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dumps right now nuclear waste now it's

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all gone any microscopic evidence of our

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technology would probably be thousands

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of feet down in the dirt in the rocks

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buried or miles deep under new oceans

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around the world yeah and you're gonna

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say to me well Jimmy what about the

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bones we have dinosaur stuff and you

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know right all right what if what about

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the bones well yes sort of

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we have dinosaur stuff but fossils of

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things are extremely rare fossils of us

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very rare and when you think about the

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millions of species over millions of

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years that roamed this planet what we

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have today is is virtually nothing nada

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so the second biggest question is

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actually very simple

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was there a civilization like ours once

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before here on earth millions of years

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ago and it's possible sure what Evans do

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we have we have no evidence none we have

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the same evidence that they would have

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in five million years of us today it's a

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fact when it comes to direct evidence of

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industrial civilization you know things

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like cities and factories and roads the

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geologic record doesn't go back past

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what's called the quanta nary period and

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this is the thing that was 2.6 million

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years ago

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for example

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the oldest stretch of ancient surface

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lies in the Negev desert it's only 1.8

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million years old older surfaces are

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mostly visible in cross sections visit

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visible icon on cliffs and we've seen

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that right or rocket cuts go back much

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farther than the quaternary period and

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everything has been turned over it's

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been crushed it's been just pulverized

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into nothing go back 50 60 million years

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ago and it would be easy to miss a

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civilization like ours that lasted for

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just 100 to 200 thousand years and only

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had hi-tech for the last thousand like

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us think about it 50 60 million years

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ago in that period Earth passed through

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the paleocene-eocene thermal maximum

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it's called the PETM and during the PETM

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the planet's average temperature climbed

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as high as 15 degrees fahrenheit above

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what we have today it was a world almost

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without ice a typical summer

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temperatures at the poles north and

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south reached a balmy 70 degrees and

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we're getting there again slowly but

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it's happening and we may be the cause

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of it what happened 56 million years ago

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I don't know I don't but today

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we're trying to keep those temps from

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getting out of control

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we see it happening we see the changes

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we know this now once you recognize

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through climate change the need to find

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lower impact energy sources less

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pollution the destroying of the planet

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of course garbage and trash and what

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we're doing to our ocean if we start to

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figure all of that out it's less stuff

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we're gonna leave behind for anyone

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defined in the few

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sure yeah think about it so long after

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we're gone they may never know that we

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were ever here think about it that

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little thin you're on a cliff face and

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you're going back five million years and

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you happen to and you're going okay all

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right all right all right all right all

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right back up five million years do you

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know what trace in those rocks are is

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gonna be left in in five million years

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it's gonna be about this thick because

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it's only gonna represent that thin

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little 5,000 year slice of modern human

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history we're gonna be there like that

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it's not gonna be any bones no New York

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City the car that you drive today it's

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going to exist seriously so could there

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have been in the distant past a rise and

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fall of a civilization when there

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predates everything is it possible yes

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how would we know we wouldn't there's no

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way there's no way to know and if you if

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you think about and we have tried to

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find as much evidence of all of this

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that we can the different historic

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events that ended everything here on

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earth has happened six times six times

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life got restarted it got kick-started

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got rebooted it did things evolved again

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and I understand that think about

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we've only been there is the the most

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critical example that I need you to

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think about is the rise and fall of all

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of the great cities and how we populated

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the planet and what we have done in 5000

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short years most of everything it's been

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in the last thousand all of the major

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cities since the Industrial Revolution

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steel girders right concrete being

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poured 50 100 storey buildings that's in

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the last 50 years that's it there is

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there there would be no evidence of us

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none think about that

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this is fade to black I'm your host

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Jimmy church and tonight is day two of

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our UFO week here on fade to black

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Stanton Friedman I'm gonna leave you

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with this Stanton Friedman has guided us

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I still have videos that I have been

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carrying around with me for 25 30 years

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of Stanton and that I just studied I

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would just listen to every word that he

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spoke and a few years ago we were about

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five years ago bumped heads a little bit

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on a panel and I was hosting it and I

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stopped myself I wanted to have a little

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engagement but I remembered and stopped

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and respected who I was speaking to at

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that moment and I chose to listen to

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Stan and that's what we're gonna do

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tonight it's a very important week here

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on fade to black

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and tonight Stanton Friedman joins us

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this is fade to black I am your host

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Jimmy Church and let's get this going

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there we go I'll be back right after

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this short break with our guest the one

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and only Stanton Friedman on the

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GameChanger network in kg ra the planet

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I'll be right back stay with us

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[Music]

564
00:33:49,239 --> 00:33:45,509
welcome back fade to black day two of

565
00:33:53,159 --> 00:33:49,249
our UFO week here on fade to black and

566
00:33:56,859 --> 00:33:53,169
tonight our guest is Stan Freedman

567
00:34:00,009 --> 00:33:56,869
nuclear physicist lecturer received his

568
00:34:03,579 --> 00:34:00,019
BSC and MSC degrees in physics from the

569
00:34:06,249 --> 00:34:03,589
University of Chicago in 1955 in 1956 he

570
00:34:09,879 --> 00:34:06,259
is employed for 14 years as a nuclear

571
00:34:13,059 --> 00:34:09,889
physicist by such companies as GE GM

572
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:13,069
Westinghouse TRW Systems Aerojet General

573
00:34:16,839 --> 00:34:13,970
nucleonic s--

574
00:34:18,970 --> 00:34:16,849
and McDonnell Douglas working in such

575
00:34:21,309 --> 00:34:18,980
highly advanced classified eventually

576
00:34:23,740 --> 00:34:21,319
canceled programs as nuclear aircraft

577
00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:23,750
efficient infusion rockets and various

578
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:25,849
compact nuclear power plants for space

579
00:34:31,869 --> 00:34:28,639
and terrestrial applications became

580
00:34:33,940 --> 00:34:31,879
interested in UFOs in 1958 he has

581
00:34:36,819 --> 00:34:33,950
appeared on hundreds of radio and TV

582
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:36,829
programs he is their original civilian

583
00:34:40,930 --> 00:34:39,169
investigator of the Roswell incident he

584
00:34:43,059 --> 00:34:40,940
has provided written testimony to

585
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:43,069
congressional hearings appear twice at

586
00:34:47,619 --> 00:34:45,529
the United Nations has been a pioneer in

587
00:34:50,289 --> 00:34:47,629
many aspects of ufology including

588
00:34:53,139 --> 00:34:50,299
Roswell majestic 12 the Betty Hill

589
00:34:55,809 --> 00:34:53,149
Marjorie fish a star map work analysis

590
00:34:58,809 --> 00:34:55,819
of the delphos Kansas a physical trace

591
00:35:03,039 --> 00:34:58,819
case craft saucers flying saucer tech

592
00:35:05,890 --> 00:35:03,049
and challenges to SETI Stanton has

593
00:35:07,779 --> 00:35:05,900
spoken at more you found symposia than

594
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:07,789
anyone else and we would like to welcome

595
00:35:11,740 --> 00:35:09,170
back to fade to black

596
00:35:15,579 --> 00:35:11,750
Stanton Friedman Stanton good evening

597
00:35:18,309 --> 00:35:15,589
good morning actually how are you yeah

598
00:35:25,140 --> 00:35:18,319
where I am it's getting late I'm on the

599
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:28,450
New Brunswick Kansas is a nice place too

600
00:35:36,930 --> 00:35:31,730
by the way we you know yeah I'm sure

601
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:36,940
everybody loves everybody there yeah

602
00:35:42,789 --> 00:35:39,920
good morning sir it's always great to

603
00:35:43,930 --> 00:35:42,799
hear your voice and you know I'm going

604
00:35:47,279 --> 00:35:43,940
to get a few things out of the way

605
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:47,289
really quick earlier earlier this year

606
00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:50,510
you announced you're in

607
00:35:55,180 --> 00:35:52,430
pending it's not quite there yet but

608
00:35:57,310 --> 00:35:55,190
your retirement home oh yeah almost it's

609
00:35:59,290 --> 00:35:57,320
almost here you're you're on the show

610
00:36:02,320 --> 00:35:59,300
tonight so we've we've obviously got

611
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:02,330
some days left but your impending

612
00:36:11,530 --> 00:36:07,970
retirement what's what what made you

613
00:36:14,860 --> 00:36:11,540
come up with that decision well I'm

614
00:36:16,990 --> 00:36:14,870
getting old and I you know when I was a

615
00:36:19,780 --> 00:36:17,000
kid I was a big baseball fan and we used

616
00:36:21,810 --> 00:36:19,790
to say that when the guy got old he lost

617
00:36:24,730 --> 00:36:21,820
a couple steps on the way to second base

618
00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:24,740
yeah not quite as fast as it used to be

619
00:36:32,410 --> 00:36:29,180
and I'm 84 years old it's time I rested

620
00:36:36,670 --> 00:36:32,420
a little bit not on my laurels but at

621
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:36,680
least to take it easy and I'm giving a

622
00:36:39,540 --> 00:36:38,570
lecture in South Carolina in a couple

623
00:36:42,610 --> 00:36:39,550
weeks

624
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:42,620
the MUFON group there in Columbia South

625
00:36:51,460 --> 00:36:46,310
Carolina I got one more in where am I

626
00:36:53,740 --> 00:36:51,470
gonna be in California and you know it's

627
00:36:57,700 --> 00:36:53,750
time how many guys do you know we're

628
00:36:59,320 --> 00:36:57,710
still working at baby for you know you

629
00:37:01,330 --> 00:36:59,330
know you broke a lot of hearts with that

630
00:37:05,140 --> 00:37:01,340
announcement it was just like no you

631
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:05,150
know and we understand I mean 84 you

632
00:37:12,060 --> 00:37:07,730
don't hit us is 84 and and and that

633
00:37:16,780 --> 00:37:12,070
there's that part of it but you have

634
00:37:19,570 --> 00:37:16,790
myself included have inspired literally

635
00:37:23,350 --> 00:37:19,580
generations going back for so long that

636
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:23,360
we can't imagine you Balaji in our

637
00:37:29,830 --> 00:37:27,110
community without you well you know I

638
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:29,840
may still do an occasional radio show I

639
00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:31,910
only have two more lectures scheduled

640
00:37:37,690 --> 00:37:35,150
and you know it's funny thing and began

641
00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:37,700
in radio and you go back to radio I grew

642
00:37:43,060 --> 00:37:40,910
up in New Jersey and we had loads of

643
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:43,070
radio stations in New York and that was

644
00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:46,190
before television so I've always enjoyed

645
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:51,880
doing radio I you know TV is nice and

646
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:55,970
all that sort of stuff but radio you can

647
00:38:01,840 --> 00:37:57,890
relax you know when you're worried about

648
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:01,850
whether you're taya straight and I turns

649
00:38:07,370 --> 00:38:03,569
out apparently I

650
00:38:09,469 --> 00:38:07,380
a good voice for radio that is even at

651
00:38:11,479 --> 00:38:09,479
my age I'm not scraping the bottom of

652
00:38:14,359 --> 00:38:11,489
the bucket yet you can still understand

653
00:38:16,759 --> 00:38:14,369
me yeah we can well you know there's

654
00:38:19,729 --> 00:38:16,769
there's the opportunity for me now to

655
00:38:25,789 --> 00:38:19,739
insert a joke but I'm not going to do

656
00:38:28,999 --> 00:38:25,799
that and we're the next the next one

657
00:38:31,219 --> 00:38:29,009
which is an obvious question but I need

658
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:31,229
to I want to get inside of your head a

659
00:38:40,959 --> 00:38:33,529
little bit tonight if you don't mind

660
00:38:46,059 --> 00:38:40,969
19:58 okay it is now 2018 your view of

661
00:38:52,359 --> 00:38:46,069
the UFO question and the et hypothesis

662
00:38:56,599 --> 00:38:52,369
how has it changed from 1958 to 2018

663
00:39:00,529 --> 00:38:56,609
well one very important thing that's

664
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:00,539
happened is that our understanding of

665
00:39:06,739 --> 00:39:03,690
the corner that galaxies where we live

666
00:39:11,479 --> 00:39:06,749
if you will our place in the universe if

667
00:39:13,549 --> 00:39:11,489
you like has changed enormous ly you

668
00:39:15,469 --> 00:39:13,559
know when Frank Drake started talking

669
00:39:17,689 --> 00:39:15,479
about listening for signals from outer

670
00:39:20,420 --> 00:39:17,699
space because there might be aliens out

671
00:39:21,140 --> 00:39:20,430
there he was talking there might be 8000

672
00:39:24,049 --> 00:39:21,150
M

673
00:39:27,019 --> 00:39:24,059
planets out there that's a lot of

674
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:27,029
planets and we were still under the

675
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,359
impression we're the only one after all

676
00:39:37,849 --> 00:39:31,920
we're the center of the universe aren't

677
00:39:40,910 --> 00:39:37,859
we you know and now thanks to the Kepler

678
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:40,920
satellite we haven't changed our view a

679
00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:43,920
little we've changed it enormous ly the

680
00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:45,900
latest numbers from the Kepler satellite

681
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:48,900
which is going out and back and looking

682
00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:52,140
for planets which is a pretty remarkable

683
00:39:57,529 --> 00:39:54,630
thing because we can spot the difference

684
00:39:59,569 --> 00:39:57,539
in the light coming to us from a star

685
00:40:01,759 --> 00:39:59,579
when a planet goes in front of it in

686
00:40:04,849 --> 00:40:01,769
other words closer to it and to us by a

687
00:40:08,269 --> 00:40:04,859
great deal you know that's like seeing a

688
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:08,279
butterfly across your neighbor's car

689
00:40:14,689 --> 00:40:11,249
when it's a mile away that's incredible

690
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:14,699
we now think there's one point six

691
00:40:19,390 --> 00:40:17,330
planets per star

692
00:40:22,450 --> 00:40:19,400
now I'm not saying they all have life

693
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:22,460
maybe only 10% but there's about a

694
00:40:26,590 --> 00:40:24,290
hundred at least a hundred billion stars

695
00:40:28,030 --> 00:40:26,600
in the galaxy I haven't been counting

696
00:40:29,950 --> 00:40:28,040
them but that's what I'm told sometimes

697
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:29,960
they say two hundred billion it doesn't

698
00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:33,010
matter it's a number yes

699
00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:37,070
ginormous it's a huge number and you

700
00:40:44,110 --> 00:40:39,380
know even if only 10% of life we're

701
00:40:50,260 --> 00:40:44,120
talking 10 billion planets out there and

702
00:40:53,770 --> 00:40:50,270
that means we also when Bishop Ussher an

703
00:40:57,220 --> 00:40:53,780
expert on sexy stated all the be getting

704
00:41:02,260 --> 00:40:57,230
in the bum be getting in the Bible and

705
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:02,270
in in the 16th century he concluded that

706
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:06,800
the world was created in 4004 BC Wow a

707
00:41:13,150 --> 00:41:08,330
long time ago

708
00:41:15,610 --> 00:41:13,160
well he left out six zeros 4 billion for

709
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:15,620
you know it's a lot closer to the right

710
00:41:24,070 --> 00:41:19,760
answer and that's changed things

711
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:24,080
enormous Lee doesn't help our ego and

712
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:25,610
now some people say well it means we're

713
00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:27,170
important otherwise why would aliens

714
00:41:32,770 --> 00:41:29,270
come to this place out in the boondocks

715
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:32,780
you know well we might want to talk

716
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,730
about some of the reasons aliens might

717
00:41:42,970 --> 00:41:37,040
come here and to listen to the radio

718
00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:42,980
programs sure by doing that I make one

719
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:44,120
assumption about every advanced

720
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:46,130
civilization its concerned about its own

721
00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:49,850
survival and security and one of the

722
00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:52,700
early questions the scientists and any

723
00:41:57,850 --> 00:41:55,070
civilization are going to ask is how the

724
00:42:04,030 --> 00:41:57,860
heck does the star produce all I'm

725
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:04,040
energy enormous amount you realize I in

726
00:42:13,420 --> 00:42:07,850
the 1920s one less than a hundred years

727
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:13,430
ago we thought there was no one one

728
00:42:20,770 --> 00:42:16,370
galaxy and a big star is a mass of

729
00:42:23,620 --> 00:42:20,780
burning gas now mr. Hubble after whom

730
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:23,630
the Hubble telescope was named realized

731
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:26,480
and started looking and monitoring and

732
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:29,690
he checked them gee there's a gazillion

733
00:42:37,690 --> 00:42:34,910
galaxies out there but it's hard to

734
00:42:41,110 --> 00:42:37,700
believe we didn't even know there were

735
00:42:44,740 --> 00:42:41,120
neutrons until 1932

736
00:42:46,570 --> 00:42:44,750
I know and we didn't know about fishing

737
00:42:50,830 --> 00:42:46,580
and fusion the two processes that

738
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,840
produce an enormous amount of energy not

739
00:42:56,110 --> 00:42:52,880
just a little bit more than chemicals

740
00:43:01,960 --> 00:42:56,120
burning a lot more right we didn't know

741
00:43:03,790 --> 00:43:01,970
about them until 1938 and you know III

742
00:43:06,610 --> 00:43:03,800
stressed this because there's an

743
00:43:07,090 --> 00:43:06,620
important outcome of once you say wait a

744
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:07,100
minute

745
00:43:13,090 --> 00:43:08,930
how much energy are we talking about

746
00:43:15,550 --> 00:43:13,100
here that we didn't know about well a

747
00:43:17,260 --> 00:43:15,560
big bomb in World War two and I'm old

748
00:43:20,830 --> 00:43:17,270
enough to remember World War two was a

749
00:43:25,870 --> 00:43:20,840
10 ton blockbuster release the energy of

750
00:43:30,780 --> 00:43:25,880
10 tons of dynamite Wow our first atomic

751
00:43:34,020 --> 00:43:30,790
bomb in 1945 release the energy of

752
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:34,030
15,000 tons of dynamite

753
00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:41,450
our first h-bomb fusion device in 1950

754
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:46,550
to release the energy of 10 million tons

755
00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:50,570
of dynamite so that's a pretty big jump

756
00:43:56,260 --> 00:43:54,590
from 10 to 15 thousand to 10 million and

757
00:44:00,730 --> 00:43:56,270
the Russians have tested the biggest

758
00:44:04,050 --> 00:44:00,740
bomb char bomba I love the name one bomb

759
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:04,060
one stinking bomb release the energy of

760
00:44:11,530 --> 00:44:08,690
51 million tons of dynamite unbelievable

761
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:11,540
now the reason this is important is not

762
00:44:15,130 --> 00:44:13,130
only because they can beat that kind of

763
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:15,140
the planet if we start using these on

764
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:19,760
each other but how do you get someplace

765
00:44:23,470 --> 00:44:20,650
else

766
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:23,480
you know Oh Magellan well he didn't make

767
00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:28,370
it his ship mated in 1523 or so made it

768
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:31,220
around the world it only took three

769
00:44:36,820 --> 00:44:34,250
years you know and that was going pretty

770
00:44:40,450 --> 00:44:36,830
quick and then we had people talking

771
00:44:41,340 --> 00:44:40,460
about around the world in 80 days that's

772
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:41,350
still moving

773
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:43,280
[Music]

774
00:44:51,460 --> 00:44:46,250
well now our satellites of the space

775
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:51,470
station just go over our head ng it

776
00:44:58,050 --> 00:44:54,050
takes about a hundred minutes between 90

777
00:45:01,720 --> 00:44:58,060
and 100 minutes from three years to

778
00:45:04,290 --> 00:45:01,730
ninety and a hundred minutes so when you

779
00:45:06,730 --> 00:45:04,300
ask the question well wait a minute

780
00:45:07,950 --> 00:45:06,740
we're gonna get the energy to go to the

781
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:07,960
stars

782
00:45:13,810 --> 00:45:11,570
fishermen fusional do it very neatly and

783
00:45:18,490 --> 00:45:13,820
if I'd said that a hundred years ago the

784
00:45:23,380 --> 00:45:18,500
part I was crazy I so it's been exciting

785
00:45:25,660 --> 00:45:23,390
to me to watch the change now I don't

786
00:45:28,930 --> 00:45:25,670
know how many people have incorporated

787
00:45:33,370 --> 00:45:28,940
that in their thinking have the churches

788
00:45:36,490 --> 00:45:33,380
of the world realize you know uh and the

789
00:45:39,450 --> 00:45:36,500
thing is that wouldn't any civilization

790
00:45:42,820 --> 00:45:39,460
be concerned about us we have exploded

791
00:45:45,010 --> 00:45:42,830
2000 nuclear weapons on this planet I

792
00:45:47,980 --> 00:45:45,020
know some people were thinking well you

793
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:47,990
mentioned the big Prussian bomb but

794
00:45:54,690 --> 00:45:51,410
you've only dropped nuclear weapons on

795
00:45:59,200 --> 00:45:54,700
two cities only two cities he says

796
00:46:03,160 --> 00:45:59,210
casually but the power to get to the

797
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:03,170
stars and to threaten others is very

798
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:05,090
obvious there even if we don't think

799
00:46:10,570 --> 00:46:08,240
about it uh you know it's the articles

800
00:46:12,340 --> 00:46:10,580
in the paper wondering about are aliens

801
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:12,350
concerned about us taking our brand of

802
00:46:17,380 --> 00:46:15,440
friendship hostility out there you know

803
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:17,390
here anybody worrying about that I worry

804
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:24,110
about and so what I'm saying is that we

805
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:26,480
need to take a different perspective I

806
00:46:32,590 --> 00:46:29,770
have a great grandson he's 11 years old

807
00:46:35,950 --> 00:46:32,600
and the world he's gonna grow up in is

808
00:46:38,260 --> 00:46:35,960
very different from the world you mean

809
00:46:40,420 --> 00:46:38,270
you're younger than I am but the world

810
00:46:45,580 --> 00:46:40,430
that you and I grew up in in terms of

811
00:46:48,430 --> 00:46:45,590
our place and I get a kick out of the

812
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,440
seti cultists I call them 9sc yeah I

813
00:46:52,690 --> 00:46:50,480
still the effort to investigate you know

814
00:46:54,940 --> 00:46:52,700
I've said that before but why is it

815
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:54,950
silly because it ignores all the

816
00:46:58,720 --> 00:46:56,810
evidence that aliens are visiting

817
00:47:02,800 --> 00:46:58,730
and says we should be listening for

818
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:02,810
signals why whatever in still we have

819
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:04,370
that anybody sending signals to us what

820
00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:07,520
techniques did they used yeah before

821
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:10,460
World War two and to give an example of

822
00:47:19,150 --> 00:47:15,610
how easy it is to go wrong I the Germans

823
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:19,160
were worried whether the British because

824
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:21,170
they saw were coming Hitler had his

825
00:47:29,290 --> 00:47:27,170
plans re had radar so they sent a flight

826
00:47:31,810 --> 00:47:29,300
over the English Channel listening for

827
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:31,820
radio signals listening for radar

828
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:36,410
signals didn't hear any so oh that's a

829
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:38,090
good thing they know that radar and then

830
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:39,890
they tried it again this time they

831
00:47:45,610 --> 00:47:41,810
straight over land and it was quite an

832
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:45,620
international incident but they still

833
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:48,410
didn't find any signals they were

834
00:47:54,210 --> 00:47:50,330
looking that their frequency was off by

835
00:47:58,720 --> 00:47:54,220
a factor of 10 the signals were there

836
00:48:01,420 --> 00:47:58,730
but they didn't see them and were misled

837
00:48:03,070 --> 00:48:01,430
and you know that's another thing that I

838
00:48:05,380 --> 00:48:03,080
bring to the table I worked under

839
00:48:06,330 --> 00:48:05,390
security for 14 years I know secrets can

840
00:48:08,860 --> 00:48:06,340
be kept

841
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:08,870
sometimes big ones and sometimes for a

842
00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:13,010
long time and you know we sometimes

843
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:14,630
forget how much money we spend on a

844
00:48:20,770 --> 00:48:16,370
secret project when I'm at their

845
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:20,780
airplanes 1958 a long time ago our

846
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:24,650
budget that year was 100 million dollars

847
00:48:31,180 --> 00:48:28,490
big time we employed thirty four hundred

848
00:48:33,220 --> 00:48:31,190
people of whom 1,100 were engineers and

849
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:33,230
scientists we're not talking about six

850
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:35,570
professors sitting around the table of a

851
00:48:44,110 --> 00:48:39,650
few grad students the corona spy

852
00:48:46,810 --> 00:48:44,120
satellite which was developed I get a

853
00:48:49,470 --> 00:48:46,820
kick out of the thing because some

854
00:48:53,550 --> 00:48:49,480
people may remember the u-2 incident

855
00:48:56,650 --> 00:48:53,560
when our spy planes got shot down oh

856
00:48:59,860 --> 00:48:56,660
well the corona was being developed it

857
00:49:01,840 --> 00:48:59,870
was a satellite and it was going to be

858
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:01,850
able to go around and around and take

859
00:49:05,610 --> 00:49:03,530
pictures down below and I loved the way

860
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:05,620
they were going to get the film back

861
00:49:12,970 --> 00:49:09,920
they were going to D orbit the film cast

862
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:12,980
over the Pacific and an airplane would

863
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:19,250
catch the eye mr. guard and the first 12

864
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:23,359
launches were failures that shows you

865
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:25,910
how to budget boy it doesn't work cyan

866
00:49:34,349 --> 00:49:29,599
dragon dragon right the 13th one got

867
00:49:37,630 --> 00:49:34,359
more data about Soviet military

868
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:37,640
installations then all the u2 flights

869
00:49:43,210 --> 00:49:40,310
that had preceded that was in the corona

870
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:43,220
spy satellite and I still get a kick out

871
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:45,680
of the Roswell incident the town nearest

872
00:49:53,410 --> 00:49:48,910
to where it actually happened was Corona

873
00:49:55,390 --> 00:49:53,420
that's right that's right which i think

874
00:49:58,450 --> 00:49:55,400
is hilarious that is funny

875
00:50:00,490 --> 00:49:58,460
that is that that is real funny the it

876
00:50:03,010 --> 00:50:00,500
does illustrate keeping secrets

877
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:03,020
you know right granny wig was kept

878
00:50:07,630 --> 00:50:05,510
secret all the way all its life thirty

879
00:50:11,710 --> 00:50:07,640
years before we revealed the existence

880
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:11,720
of it and the original the original

881
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:17,089
views which I'm sure that you held or at

882
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:20,960
least knew about the whole nuts and

883
00:50:26,349 --> 00:50:23,810
bolts metallic flying saucers little et

884
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:26,359
dudes in there you know flying you know

885
00:50:33,099 --> 00:50:28,510
across the universe and getting here

886
00:50:36,910 --> 00:50:33,109
that's okay but looking back we were

887
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:36,920
pretty innocent in naive on the entire

888
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:40,720
UFO situation how far we have come right

889
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:43,730
well I think we've come far and we've

890
00:50:50,349 --> 00:50:47,510
also come far and the use of nuclear

891
00:50:52,530 --> 00:50:50,359
energy we started using those neutrons

892
00:50:56,650 --> 00:50:52,540
we didn't hadn't known anything about

893
00:50:59,859 --> 00:50:56,660
and you know it's kind of impressive to

894
00:51:03,190 --> 00:50:59,869
think that we have nuclear-powered

895
00:51:05,740 --> 00:51:03,200
submarines hey that's nice they don't

896
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:05,750
need to refuel well it's more than that

897
00:51:12,250 --> 00:51:09,920
they can stay underwater and go all

898
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:12,260
around the world and nobody knows where

899
00:51:18,190 --> 00:51:15,440
they are so that means if the other guy

900
00:51:19,660 --> 00:51:18,200
bombs us or sends an intercontinental

901
00:51:22,660 --> 00:51:19,670
ballistic missile and beats up our

902
00:51:23,140 --> 00:51:22,670
cities and stuff they can't keep us from

903
00:51:24,820 --> 00:51:23,150
retire

904
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:24,830
creating from a submarine that's

905
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:28,850
underwater and we've had a number of

906
00:51:36,850 --> 00:51:34,160
these around the world underwater think

907
00:51:39,970 --> 00:51:36,860
about that that's incredible

908
00:51:42,340 --> 00:51:39,980
uh you know we have aircraft carriers

909
00:51:45,730 --> 00:51:42,350
that I used to say can operate for 18

910
00:51:47,350 --> 00:51:45,740
years without refueling if you're a ship

911
00:51:49,630 --> 00:51:47,360
captain that's kind of nice isn't it you

912
00:51:51,940 --> 00:51:49,640
got a monstrous ship over a thousand

913
00:51:54,010 --> 00:51:51,950
feet long and you don't need fuel for 18

914
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:54,020
years well I was talking to a nuclear

915
00:52:01,180 --> 00:51:57,290
Navy guy retired and stand it's very

916
00:52:03,250 --> 00:52:01,190
close to 30 now yeah yeah yeah they

917
00:52:07,540 --> 00:52:03,260
would be decommissioned before they

918
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:07,550
refuel what that's that's about the size

919
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:10,880
of it so smart guys and new technology

920
00:52:15,370 --> 00:52:13,280
and you know we're talking about the

921
00:52:17,230 --> 00:52:15,380
military technology but I think about

922
00:52:20,460 --> 00:52:17,240
fusion propulsion for deep space travel

923
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:20,470
I was working on a study of that in 1962

924
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:24,650
a long time ago and of course why would

925
00:52:28,030 --> 00:52:25,970
you do it

926
00:52:31,330 --> 00:52:28,040
there are many plans to go out there

927
00:52:33,790 --> 00:52:31,340
who's gonna pay the freight and what

928
00:52:36,130 --> 00:52:33,800
language are they gonna speak Russian or

929
00:52:40,330 --> 00:52:36,140
English you know we haven't solved the

930
00:52:42,190 --> 00:52:40,340
problems yet but it's interesting to

931
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:42,200
look around and see the world as it is

932
00:52:49,870 --> 00:52:45,370
today as opposed to what it was when I

933
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,880
read the first book I read in 1958 now

934
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:51,440
I'm a little slow I didn't get my first

935
00:52:59,110 --> 00:52:55,970
lecture until 1967 and here it's more

936
00:53:02,020 --> 00:52:59,120
than 700 lectures and you want to be out

937
00:53:04,660 --> 00:53:02,030
see the world be a ufologist I spoken in

938
00:53:08,260 --> 00:53:04,670
50 states ten provinces and 19 other

939
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:08,270
countries you know how many people can

940
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:10,130
say that as part of their normal work a

941
00:53:16,690 --> 00:53:15,170
day the answer is none Stan just help

942
00:53:21,450 --> 00:53:16,700
you with that right now the answer is

943
00:53:28,180 --> 00:53:21,460
none the last one I saw was Bogart

944
00:53:32,010 --> 00:53:28,190
country over nice place yes would you

945
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:32,020
believe the Bulgarian Science Academy

946
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:36,000
sponsored program

947
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:37,680
we're going up there in the world you

948
00:53:46,270 --> 00:53:43,920
know so but you bring up a valid point

949
00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:46,280
which I think that we all recognize

950
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:50,460
today but you just mentioned your 11

951
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:53,609
year old grandson he great grant our

952
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,119
great grandson I'm sorry that he has no

953
00:54:05,750 --> 00:53:59,280
why you would have to explain to him

954
00:54:07,580 --> 00:54:05,760
what videocassette is right here's you

955
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:07,590
know think about that you know the

956
00:54:13,460 --> 00:54:10,770
obvious 8tracks or or the things that

957
00:54:17,690 --> 00:54:13,470
you and i know and love and have a fond

958
00:54:19,849 --> 00:54:17,700
memory of he has zero concept zero none

959
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:19,859
in fact you would just confuse them you

960
00:54:26,060 --> 00:54:23,130
just may have to let it go well that's

961
00:54:28,220 --> 00:54:26,070
right I remember when the computer when

962
00:54:30,050 --> 00:54:28,230
I was at GE my first job the computer

963
00:54:33,020 --> 00:54:30,060
was in a special building up the road

964
00:54:35,540 --> 00:54:33,030
half a mile and had loads of air

965
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:35,550
conditioning equipment and stuff and

966
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:38,640
when I look at the capabilities it's no

967
00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:41,760
no comparison progress and Friedman's

968
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:43,910
law progress comes from doing things

969
00:54:50,359 --> 00:54:46,880
differently in an unpredictable way

970
00:54:52,430 --> 00:54:50,369
mention slide rules that kids I know I

971
00:54:55,790 --> 00:54:52,440
was using one when I started working

972
00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:55,800
industry and he worked very well I mean

973
00:55:01,570 --> 00:54:58,530
I couldn't do much but multiply and

974
00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:01,580
divide and pick square roots and

975
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:04,020
engineers and scientists got a Nobel

976
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:08,160
Prize winners use slide rules well and

977
00:55:12,740 --> 00:55:10,250
today when we come back after the break

978
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:12,750
we're gonna we're gonna talk about today

979
00:55:19,730 --> 00:55:16,800
and I want to really understand where

980
00:55:22,910 --> 00:55:19,740
where you are coming from today because

981
00:55:25,609 --> 00:55:22,920
I have night-vision goggles right I have

982
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:25,619
generation 3 night-vision goggles you

983
00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:28,440
know yeah and I'm able to go out and see

984
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:30,390
some pretty strange things around in the

985
00:55:35,780 --> 00:55:34,200
sky that and I live in Los Angeles as

986
00:55:38,750 --> 00:55:35,790
you know Stanton I'm here in Burbank and

987
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:38,760
we have 25 million people here and you

988
00:55:44,180 --> 00:55:41,369
can walk out and look up in the sky and

989
00:55:46,849 --> 00:55:44,190
see absolutely nothing but with night

990
00:55:48,109 --> 00:55:46,859
vision you you go out and you look up in

991
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:48,119
the night sky and you see some strange

992
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:49,290
things

993
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:52,770
this is an example of technology that we

994
00:55:57,740 --> 00:55:55,650
have today for the masses that quite

995
00:55:59,900 --> 00:55:57,750
frankly we didn't have 10 years ago 20

996
00:56:03,920 --> 00:55:59,910
years ago for the average Joe like me to

997
00:56:06,740 --> 00:56:03,930
have and certainly going back to 1958 we

998
00:56:11,780 --> 00:56:06,750
didn't have this ability to go and now

999
00:56:15,350 --> 00:56:11,790
today we really understand so much that

1000
00:56:19,390 --> 00:56:15,360
we just didn't know just 10 20 30 years

1001
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:19,400
ago the world has indeed changed yes

1002
00:56:25,220 --> 00:56:23,130
let's take my men yes yes yes let's take

1003
00:56:30,290 --> 00:56:25,230
a break right here and when we come back

1004
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:30,300
I want to talk about the way the the

1005
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:32,850
mainstream media is treating the UFO

1006
00:56:41,060 --> 00:56:37,050
subject today you were a guest of Larry

1007
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,070
King's many times and today there are

1008
00:56:46,310 --> 00:56:43,440
other flag wavers out there in

1009
00:56:48,140 --> 00:56:46,320
mainstream media myself being one and we

1010
00:56:50,780 --> 00:56:48,150
will talk about all of that when we come

1011
00:56:52,190 --> 00:56:50,790
back our guest tonight on day two of are

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black I'm Hill

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shimmy Church on the game changer

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network in kg RA the planets day two of

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our UFO week here on fade to black and

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01:02:12,380 --> 01:02:09,410
our guest tonight is Stanton Friedman

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01:02:14,990 --> 01:02:12,390
tomorrow night berry Littleton is gonna

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01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:15,000
be here and Thursday night open lines

1102
01:02:19,820 --> 01:02:16,650
all night long and I'm going to take

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01:02:24,830 --> 01:02:19,830
nothing but UFO phone calls

1104
01:02:27,470 --> 01:02:24,840
that's right contact photos videos all

1105
01:02:29,180 --> 01:02:27,480
of that that will go down on Thursday

1106
01:02:36,260 --> 01:02:29,190
night but tonight it's Stanton Friedman

1107
01:02:40,580 --> 01:02:36,270
and Stanton the the the mass media the

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01:02:45,050 --> 01:02:40,590
over the last eight months nine months

1109
01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:45,060
or so since December of 2017 has had a

1110
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:47,640
little bit of a change well certainly

1111
01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:50,310
for those first three months at the

1112
01:02:56,660 --> 01:02:53,460
beginning of 2018 an extraordinary

1113
01:03:00,440 --> 01:02:56,670
amount of coverage and and it's

1114
01:03:02,330 --> 01:03:00,450
continuing today but I want to watch

1115
01:03:07,610 --> 01:03:02,340
your comments on that and let's go back

1116
01:03:10,010 --> 01:03:07,620
also to one of our biggest supporters in

1117
01:03:12,860 --> 01:03:10,020
this community was was Larry King

1118
01:03:16,730 --> 01:03:12,870
bringing it into the mainstream and into

1119
01:03:21,140 --> 01:03:16,740
living rooms across America and he was

1120
01:03:25,340 --> 01:03:21,150
our big flag waver what have you seen

1121
01:03:28,070 --> 01:03:25,350
change between Larry King and the way

1122
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:28,080
things are going on today in mass media

1123
01:03:36,050 --> 01:03:31,760
when it comes to the subject of UFOs

1124
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:36,060
doesn't seem to be as much focus on

1125
01:03:44,420 --> 01:03:39,330
individuals going big surprisingly on

1126
01:03:47,390 --> 01:03:44,430
big programs like Larry King I'm frankly

1127
01:03:48,530 --> 01:03:47,400
what I'm thinking about is waiting for

1128
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:48,540
the other shoe to drop

1129
01:03:56,590 --> 01:03:53,250
I was so surprised with Lewis Elizondo

1130
01:03:58,880 --> 01:03:56,600
and Smith and those other guys and that

1131
01:04:01,400 --> 01:03:58,890
revelation that there had been a secret

1132
01:04:04,340 --> 01:04:01,410
program spending what 22 million dollars

1133
01:04:07,460 --> 01:04:04,350
that's not a lot of money but it's more

1134
01:04:08,329 --> 01:04:07,470
than anybody thought was being spent by

1135
01:04:10,339 --> 01:04:08,339
the government

1136
01:04:13,849 --> 01:04:10,349
but I've been waiting you know I

1137
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:13,859
guarantee you every advanced technology

1138
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:16,799
program I worked on they were paper

1139
01:04:23,690 --> 01:04:20,160
reports when small ones quarterly

1140
01:04:27,650 --> 01:04:23,700
semiannual reports technical reports etc

1141
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:27,660
etc I'm waiting I have yet to see one

1142
01:04:36,019 --> 01:04:31,920
report out of those that big classified

1143
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:36,029
study the to the Stars Academy reports

1144
01:04:44,349 --> 01:04:40,799
you know where are the reports you know

1145
01:04:48,410 --> 01:04:44,359
and I'm waiting for prayer to be applied

1146
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:48,420
to maybe now that I'll be retired I can

1147
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:50,640
try to figure out how to reach some of

1148
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:52,410
these people to find out okay where do I

1149
01:04:57,170 --> 01:04:55,440
find out more don't tell me they didn't

1150
01:05:01,099 --> 01:04:57,180
write reports because that's one of the

1151
01:05:04,609 --> 01:05:01,109
rules of doing government-sponsored yeah

1152
01:05:06,979 --> 01:05:04,619
gotta write reports and so I've been

1153
01:05:08,900 --> 01:05:06,989
waiting for that I was shocked and

1154
01:05:10,430 --> 01:05:08,910
pleased the media seemed to treat it I

1155
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:10,440
mean after all as the New York Times and

1156
01:05:15,890 --> 01:05:13,680
Washington Post seem to treat it pretty

1157
01:05:19,130 --> 01:05:15,900
decently and those guys Elizondo spoke

1158
01:05:21,890 --> 01:05:19,140
at a MUFON symposium and I've read some

1159
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:21,900
of his stuff and I'm quite impressed

1160
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:26,400
with the tone and so forth but where is

1161
01:05:32,329 --> 01:05:30,569
the rest of the paper and I'm waiting

1162
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:32,339
for somebody to answer that question or

1163
01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:34,170
anybody's listening you know Tom McCall

1164
01:05:43,309 --> 01:05:38,910
me I remember no you bring up a very

1165
01:05:47,660 --> 01:05:43,319
valid point here I remember so many of

1166
01:05:50,059 --> 01:05:47,670
your presentations of documents and it's

1167
01:05:53,239 --> 01:05:50,069
certainly your redacted presentations

1168
01:05:56,660 --> 01:05:53,249
some with some of the best and so you

1169
01:05:59,749 --> 01:05:56,670
know how to chase down paper you've got

1170
01:06:02,630 --> 01:05:59,759
I can only imagine what is at your home

1171
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:02,640
as far as documents go so you know that

1172
01:06:08,690 --> 01:06:05,609
if the lotto girl yeah if the program

1173
01:06:11,059 --> 01:06:08,700
existed and I've you know I'm not saying

1174
01:06:14,209 --> 01:06:11,069
that it did or it didn't I don't I don't

1175
01:06:16,579 --> 01:06:14,219
know as a fact but if it did exist then

1176
01:06:21,170 --> 01:06:16,589
there must be mountains of documents

1177
01:06:22,070 --> 01:06:21,180
somewhere yes yes and you know I I know

1178
01:06:24,260 --> 01:06:22,080
there are people

1179
01:06:27,490 --> 01:06:24,270
think governments can keep secrets after

1180
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:27,500
all I'll guarantee you that they can I

1181
01:06:35,570 --> 01:06:32,250
helped keep secrets I'm one of the most

1182
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:35,580
interesting jobs I had was to work it

1183
01:06:41,780 --> 01:06:39,090
was a one-man project and it was and now

1184
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:41,790
I'll give you the crazy title analysis

1185
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:44,130
and evaluation of fast and intermediate

1186
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:47,250
reactors for space vehicle applications

1187
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:49,770
and one important word was left out of

1188
01:06:58,420 --> 01:06:53,730
the title Soviet I was asked to figure

1189
01:07:03,620 --> 01:06:58,430
out this goes back a long time before

1190
01:07:05,690 --> 01:07:03,630
1970 what was the Russian capability

1191
01:07:08,540 --> 01:07:05,700
with regard to using nuclear energy in

1192
01:07:12,260 --> 01:07:08,550
space there's a lot more bang for the

1193
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:12,270
buck you know so I had two final reports

1194
01:07:16,820 --> 01:07:14,370
one was unclassified and dealt with

1195
01:07:18,770 --> 01:07:16,830
technology papers published by Soviet

1196
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:18,780
scientists about all aspects of the

1197
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:20,370
development of nuclear energy for space

1198
01:07:27,110 --> 01:07:23,760
vehicle applications the fast zone the

1199
01:07:29,780 --> 01:07:27,120
final report that I wrote I never had a

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01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:29,790
copy of it it was in the safe at work

1201
01:07:38,930 --> 01:07:33,330
until the we turned it in to the

1202
01:07:42,050 --> 01:07:38,940
government you know and mike

1203
01:07:44,770 --> 01:07:42,060
incidentally it may intrigue some people

1204
01:07:47,330 --> 01:07:44,780
to know that i had correctly predicted

1205
01:07:51,230 --> 01:07:47,340
that directions were doing a lot of work

1206
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:51,240
and advanced nuclear technology and as a

1207
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:52,770
bottom line on that i should hear that

1208
01:07:58,130 --> 01:07:55,770
the united states tested one nuclear

1209
01:07:58,930 --> 01:07:58,140
reactor in space it wasn't a great one

1210
01:08:04,490 --> 01:07:58,940
it worked

1211
01:08:06,740 --> 01:08:04,500
the russians put up over 30 of them hmm

1212
01:08:10,340 --> 01:08:06,750
the only time we heard about in the West

1213
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:10,350
was when cosmos 954 came down and near

1214
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:13,770
Great Slave Lake in northern Canada and

1215
01:08:18,860 --> 01:08:15,930
people were worried about the caribou

1216
01:08:21,079 --> 01:08:18,870
being exposed to radiation nobody was

1217
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:21,089
talking about the fact that son of a gun

1218
01:08:24,860 --> 01:08:23,040
Russians are way ahead of us in the

1219
01:08:26,329 --> 01:08:24,870
development of nuclear energy in space

1220
01:08:27,079 --> 01:08:26,339
that means a lot of energy in a small

1221
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:27,089
package

1222
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:30,810
so for sideband radar for all kinds of

1223
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:34,290
applications you know but the fact that

1224
01:08:40,940 --> 01:08:36,239
I don't wasn't able to

1225
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:40,950
copy of my final report and you know

1226
01:08:45,860 --> 01:08:43,440
i-i've been in places that tried to get

1227
01:08:47,690 --> 01:08:45,870
it there weren't any copies available

1228
01:08:53,809 --> 01:08:47,700
then even when you had they were

1229
01:08:56,690 --> 01:08:53,819
appropriate clearance so reports are a

1230
01:09:00,340 --> 01:08:56,700
big thing and that's what I I'd love to

1231
01:09:04,370 --> 01:09:00,350
see the media put more attention on

1232
01:09:09,260 --> 01:09:04,380
let's go back to Louis Elizondo and

1233
01:09:12,650 --> 01:09:09,270
those other guys and okay where do we

1234
01:09:14,900 --> 01:09:12,660
get the reports you guys studied the

1235
01:09:18,700 --> 01:09:14,910
subject you spent quite a bit of money

1236
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:18,710
uh what did you find

1237
01:09:24,590 --> 01:09:21,210
and it isn't enough to say well we did a

1238
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:24,600
study and it was constantly at this

1239
01:09:32,539 --> 01:09:27,600
point hey guys let's fess up

1240
01:09:35,650 --> 01:09:32,549
it's time and the kicker is what are we

1241
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:35,660
doing on this planet to be ready as a

1242
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:40,319
society for when the word finally gets

1243
01:09:45,079 --> 01:09:42,960
out that oh by the way aliens are

1244
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:45,089
visiting and have been for some time and

1245
01:09:50,090 --> 01:09:46,489
they're much more advanced than we are

1246
01:09:52,010 --> 01:09:50,100
and they're paying attention to us and

1247
01:09:55,190 --> 01:09:52,020
maybe we should be paying attention to

1248
01:10:01,490 --> 01:09:55,200
them that'll be a big story won't it

1249
01:10:04,250 --> 01:10:01,500
well I imagine this and certainly you

1250
01:10:05,959 --> 01:10:04,260
carried your own clearances over the

1251
01:10:09,950 --> 01:10:05,969
years and you know how some of these

1252
01:10:16,220 --> 01:10:09,960
projects can operate so I picture this

1253
01:10:19,060 --> 01:10:16,230
Tanton if there was some division or

1254
01:10:22,610 --> 01:10:19,070
some kind of structure for this program

1255
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:22,620
I imagine it was at the Pentagon it had

1256
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:25,290
an office somewhere it had to have been

1257
01:10:32,420 --> 01:10:28,800
staffed by somebody it wasn't an office

1258
01:10:35,770 --> 01:10:32,430
of one you know Louis Elizondo knows but

1259
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:35,780
you know I don't so what goes with that

1260
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:41,570
email chant you know a chain of command

1261
01:10:47,580 --> 01:10:43,600
reports

1262
01:10:49,740 --> 01:10:47,590
video documentation and that was signed

1263
01:10:53,220 --> 01:10:49,750
off and there were paychecks there was

1264
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:53,230
all kinds of things that supported this

1265
01:10:57,150 --> 01:10:54,490
project

1266
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:57,160
there must be paperwork somewhere and

1267
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:00,400
and right now to this day right you know

1268
01:11:05,610 --> 01:11:03,010
John Greenwald John has been trying to

1269
01:11:07,740 --> 01:11:05,620
and yes he's one of the best he's been

1270
01:11:11,580 --> 01:11:07,750
trying to get yes and he's been trying

1271
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:11,590
to to find anything and we've been

1272
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:15,810
coming up shooting blanks to this day

1273
01:11:20,370 --> 01:11:18,640
well I believe that I know John and I

1274
01:11:22,830 --> 01:11:20,380
consider him the top researcher on

1275
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:22,840
getting the truth the black vaults and

1276
01:11:29,670 --> 01:11:25,090
what a great title for absolutely

1277
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:29,680
absolutely a place and so what I'm

1278
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:32,890
saying is I think there needs to be a

1279
01:11:41,010 --> 01:11:36,570
major effort somewhere by the media to

1280
01:11:44,340 --> 01:11:41,020
say okay we know that this this work

1281
01:11:47,340 --> 01:11:44,350
took place we know that there had to be

1282
01:11:52,770 --> 01:11:47,350
reports we know that they would have

1283
01:11:55,740 --> 01:11:52,780
been classified but can we not get some

1284
01:11:58,920 --> 01:11:55,750
kind of action get somebody to come

1285
01:12:02,550 --> 01:11:58,930
forward who was part of this study maybe

1286
01:12:04,170 --> 01:12:02,560
a deathbed confession you know I don't

1287
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:04,180
people say well you'd think somebody

1288
01:12:09,330 --> 01:12:06,730
kept reports out and I'm dubious about

1289
01:12:11,580 --> 01:12:09,340
that I'll tell you when I was carrying

1290
01:12:13,980 --> 01:12:11,590
classified material around once I had to

1291
01:12:16,710 --> 01:12:13,990
carry my own slides for a classified

1292
01:12:18,990 --> 01:12:16,720
presentation and they sat me down and

1293
01:12:21,540 --> 01:12:19,000
read the riot act to me these slides

1294
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:21,550
stay with you none the trunk of the

1295
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:24,490
rental car when you're off they stay

1296
01:12:31,770 --> 01:12:28,210
with you and all kinds of basically the

1297
01:12:35,220 --> 01:12:31,780
hell out of a frank hey if the plane

1298
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:35,230
crashes we don't care about you we hear

1299
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:37,330
about this classified material so we

1300
01:12:41,850 --> 01:12:39,970
need your detailed itinerary you know

1301
01:12:46,380 --> 01:12:41,860
there was a lot of that they put the for

1302
01:12:48,570 --> 01:12:46,390
God and frankly so what I'm thinking is

1303
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:48,580
there's gotta be some guys out there who

1304
01:12:56,750 --> 01:12:52,330
are getting even older than I am who may

1305
01:13:01,009 --> 01:12:56,760
have some useful information but I think

1306
01:13:03,740 --> 01:13:01,019
need to be prepared for that point what

1307
01:13:08,899 --> 01:13:03,750
happened how many churches you know

1308
01:13:13,069 --> 01:13:08,909
pardon yeah are getting ready for the

1309
01:13:16,279 --> 01:13:13,079
public to recognize that if there is a

1310
01:13:24,529 --> 01:13:16,289
God he's got a lot bigger parish than we

1311
01:13:26,689 --> 01:13:24,539
thought he did I and also I think I

1312
01:13:29,209 --> 01:13:26,699
tried to figure out what aliens must

1313
01:13:31,220 --> 01:13:29,219
think it was and I think from their

1314
01:13:33,859 --> 01:13:31,230
viewpoint were obviously a primitive

1315
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:33,869
Society whose major activity is tribal

1316
01:13:42,109 --> 01:13:37,920
warfare we can't let them come out into

1317
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:42,119
space but in other words I mean think

1318
01:13:46,009 --> 01:13:44,159
about it how many countries are there I

1319
01:13:50,660 --> 01:13:46,019
think there's over 190 the last time I

1320
01:13:53,540 --> 01:13:50,670
checked hi how much the classified

1321
01:13:56,379 --> 01:13:53,550
budget the military budget this year I'm

1322
01:13:59,240 --> 01:13:56,389
planning are there's a trillion dollars

1323
01:14:02,029 --> 01:13:59,250
how many kids died of starvation last

1324
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:02,039
year right right aren't we ashamed right

1325
01:14:08,779 --> 01:14:04,650
you know don't we need to wake up and

1326
01:14:10,759 --> 01:14:08,789
say hey it's time for change and I'm not

1327
01:14:14,180 --> 01:14:10,769
trying to preach a particular religion

1328
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:14,190
at people or anything like that only to

1329
01:14:17,839 --> 01:14:16,110
wake up and real and for people to

1330
01:14:20,209 --> 01:14:17,849
realize we're part of a larger scheme of

1331
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:20,219
things and we're still pretty ignorant

1332
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:23,730
and I think you know I would like my

1333
01:14:28,459 --> 01:14:26,000
great-grandson to grow up knowing that

1334
01:14:30,830 --> 01:14:28,469
aliens are visiting there all over the

1335
01:14:34,250 --> 01:14:30,840
place out there some of them and you

1336
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:34,260
know what I convinced myself is you get

1337
01:14:38,450 --> 01:14:36,239
sufficiently advanced to either learn to

1338
01:14:41,899 --> 01:14:38,460
live at peace with your neighbors or

1339
01:14:44,209 --> 01:14:41,909
your destroyed you know so I have faith

1340
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:44,219
that these guys have learned to live at

1341
01:14:50,569 --> 01:14:46,050
peace it doesn't see only something that

1342
01:14:53,959 --> 01:14:50,579
makes sense but you know I'm proud to be

1343
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:53,969
a nuclear physicist but I'm concerned

1344
01:15:00,649 --> 01:14:58,130
that we're not doing enough to use our

1345
01:15:03,310 --> 01:15:00,659
capabilities for the benefit of mankind

1346
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:03,320
I don't mean just to go to the stars I

1347
01:15:09,060 --> 01:15:06,690
mean to take care of our energy needs to

1348
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:09,070
take care of other aspects of worse

1349
01:15:14,220 --> 01:15:12,010
yeah feed the planet yeah there's the

1350
01:15:17,009 --> 01:15:14,230
planet good ideas yeah there's no

1351
01:15:18,569 --> 01:15:17,019
question about that Stanton and and you

1352
01:15:22,879 --> 01:15:18,579
bring up a really good point I don't

1353
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:22,889
want to let this go and which is the

1354
01:15:31,229 --> 01:15:28,480
reports and the the overall flavor out

1355
01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:31,239
of Washington and other states around

1356
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:35,679
the world was that if we disclose the

1357
01:15:44,729 --> 01:15:40,650
truth about UFOs or contact with et that

1358
01:15:47,609 --> 01:15:44,739
everything is gonna go to hell you know

1359
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:47,619
the the Vatican world religions are

1360
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:50,320
gonna collapse there's gonna be riots in

1361
01:15:54,330 --> 01:15:52,719
the street a Wall Street the economic

1362
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:54,340
system everything we're gonna go right

1363
01:15:58,500 --> 01:15:58,090
back to the Dark Ages and after I don't

1364
01:16:02,100 --> 01:15:58,510
buy it

1365
01:16:04,379 --> 01:16:02,110
right right and after December 2017 with

1366
01:16:07,589 --> 01:16:04,389
all the coverage in the mass media every

1367
01:16:10,009 --> 01:16:07,599
news outlet on this planet had it not

1368
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:10,019
only on the front pages but on their

1369
01:16:14,759 --> 01:16:12,730
primetime news programs all around this

1370
01:16:19,020 --> 01:16:14,769
planet and as far as I know Stanton

1371
01:16:21,299 --> 01:16:19,030
nobody jumped off of the building so I I

1372
01:16:24,930 --> 01:16:21,309
think we can handle it today and it

1373
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:24,940
wasn't this way in 1958 or 55 or 65 I

1374
01:16:28,649 --> 01:16:27,280
understand that but today it's a

1375
01:16:31,740 --> 01:16:28,659
different situation

1376
01:16:35,370 --> 01:16:31,750
why disclose it yeah why not why not

1377
01:16:37,290 --> 01:16:35,380
disclose what they know well because

1378
01:16:40,620 --> 01:16:37,300
they're not ready to say so where do we

1379
01:16:42,450 --> 01:16:40,630
go from here now of course there you

1380
01:16:46,259 --> 01:16:42,460
come up with a science fiction plot

1381
01:16:48,180 --> 01:16:46,269
maybe the aliens have told us certain

1382
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:48,190
things not to do

1383
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:49,840
who knows maybe we're following

1384
01:17:00,509 --> 01:16:55,690
instructions I don't know but I do know

1385
01:17:03,810 --> 01:17:00,519
that there's a big secret the monster in

1386
01:17:04,649 --> 01:17:03,820
the room what - it's a toe line the

1387
01:17:09,330 --> 01:17:04,659
elephant in the room

1388
01:17:12,359 --> 01:17:09,340
the ETM yeah the et in the ring and the

1389
01:17:16,830 --> 01:17:12,369
kicker is that you know I'm concerned

1390
01:17:19,589 --> 01:17:16,840
that more people be fed that there be

1391
01:17:21,930 --> 01:17:19,599
more peace and happiness and then we

1392
01:17:22,380 --> 01:17:21,940
don't be spending so darn much money on

1393
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:22,390
things

1394
01:17:28,860 --> 01:17:26,320
military I'm not anti the Navy or the

1395
01:17:30,690 --> 01:17:28,870
army or the Air Force or so forth and

1396
01:17:32,910 --> 01:17:30,700
now we're talking about a space force I

1397
01:17:38,850 --> 01:17:32,920
don't know whether where that fits into

1398
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:38,860
this picture but I think we're I'm a

1399
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:40,810
grown-up darn it I want to know what's

1400
01:17:47,010 --> 01:17:43,330
going on and I want my great-grandson to

1401
01:17:49,170 --> 01:17:47,020
know what's going on and you know for

1402
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:49,180
people who were wondering when was he

1403
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:51,610
taught is there really any evidence III

1404
01:17:56,580 --> 01:17:54,850
have tried this I've talked in some

1405
01:17:59,730 --> 01:17:56,590
lectures about five large-scale

1406
01:18:01,740 --> 01:17:59,740
scientific studies about UFOs here's

1407
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:01,750
some details some slides and so forth

1408
01:18:07,980 --> 01:18:04,480
and after each one I ask how many people

1409
01:18:11,070 --> 01:18:07,990
here read this and I'm lucky if a few

1410
01:18:13,620 --> 01:18:11,080
percent have read any of the things so

1411
01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:13,630
we got a long way to go with what we

1412
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:16,510
know about no less what we don't know

1413
01:18:24,660 --> 01:18:22,330
about the element never well okay now

1414
01:18:27,330 --> 01:18:24,670
here's your opportunity I'm gonna give

1415
01:18:31,410 --> 01:18:27,340
you I'm gonna give you a softball pitch

1416
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:31,420
an underarm pitch and you can swing are

1417
01:18:38,150 --> 01:18:35,440
you sitting on a document or a piece of

1418
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:38,160
knowledge but you haven't disclosed

1419
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:42,690
about the existence of ETA and UFOs

1420
01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:45,970
that's an interesting question I have a

1421
01:18:57,620 --> 01:18:51,070
document I came in the mail and with no

1422
01:19:01,830 --> 01:18:57,630
return address and highly classified and

1423
01:19:06,420 --> 01:19:01,840
the kicker is I have it's 48 pages long

1424
01:19:09,420 --> 01:19:06,430
so it's not two pages long and there's

1425
01:19:15,090 --> 01:19:09,430
even a supposed interview with an alien

1426
01:19:17,190 --> 01:19:15,100
which I found was kind of funny and I

1427
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:17,200
don't know whether it's legitimate or

1428
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:18,730
not I'm certainly not gonna run around

1429
01:19:23,550 --> 01:19:21,040
and drop it on the desk of every editor

1430
01:19:25,140 --> 01:19:23,560
in the neighborhood because it shouldn't

1431
01:19:28,230 --> 01:19:25,150
come from me it should come from

1432
01:19:31,020 --> 01:19:28,240
government people people who had

1433
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:31,030
legitimate access besides I don't need

1434
01:19:34,500 --> 01:19:33,730
to know for it anyway I've read it you

1435
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:34,510
know

1436
01:19:41,100 --> 01:19:38,130
I'm pretty careful about how I handle it

1437
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:41,110
would it blow everything up well it

1438
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:43,930
doesn't give the kind of data I want but

1439
01:19:52,770 --> 01:19:49,450
it certainly makes clear that there was

1440
01:19:56,820 --> 01:19:52,780
a great deal of work done that there

1441
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:56,830
have been bodies live and dead of aliens

1442
01:20:02,100 --> 01:19:57,970
recovered

1443
01:20:04,830 --> 01:20:02,110
oh and that somebody knows a heck of a

1444
01:20:08,220 --> 01:20:04,840
lot now if the document is legitimate

1445
01:20:11,790 --> 01:20:08,230
now faking a document is easy on the one

1446
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:11,800
hand operation majestic 12 we got some

1447
01:20:16,530 --> 01:20:14,320
documents back in the 80s and I'd say

1448
01:20:21,530 --> 01:20:16,540
95% of them were fraudulent

1449
01:20:24,180 --> 01:20:21,540
but those over the three three documents

1450
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:24,190
they were I believe were legitimate I've

1451
01:20:30,300 --> 01:20:27,040
written a book top-secret magic Maj I

1452
01:20:33,540 --> 01:20:30,310
see about it and I think the government

1453
01:20:37,890 --> 01:20:33,550
had operation majestic 12 and they would

1454
01:20:42,150 --> 01:20:37,900
have been changed when the title got out

1455
01:20:44,580 --> 01:20:42,160
I and I wonder how many documents were

1456
01:20:46,410 --> 01:20:44,590
produced and how many people know

1457
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:46,420
something about mj-12

1458
01:20:50,700 --> 01:20:49,090
I mean I realize how old I am and that

1459
01:20:52,970 --> 01:20:50,710
the people who knew about these things

1460
01:20:57,810 --> 01:20:52,980
are dying are dead already

1461
01:21:06,000 --> 01:20:57,820
well what wait how long have you been in

1462
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:06,010
possession of this 48 page document two

1463
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:09,040
years less than two years I had who else

1464
01:21:19,290 --> 01:21:10,480
has seen it have you shown it to

1465
01:21:23,970 --> 01:21:19,300
Greenwald I don't but I haven't I

1466
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:23,980
that's a good point and I like I say I

1467
01:21:29,340 --> 01:21:27,520
can't swear it's genuine it's got all

1468
01:21:31,550 --> 01:21:29,350
the right markings and it says some

1469
01:21:34,260 --> 01:21:31,560
interesting things and so forth but

1470
01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:34,270
there's not a lot of smoking guns in the

1471
01:21:40,770 --> 01:21:36,910
sense of things that I can take to the

1472
01:21:44,430 --> 01:21:40,780
bank so to speak you know you mentioned

1473
01:21:46,860 --> 01:21:44,440
the documents you know they're blacked

1474
01:21:47,410 --> 01:21:46,870
out documents and whited out documents

1475
01:21:52,180 --> 01:21:47,420
and some

1476
01:21:55,900 --> 01:21:52,190
funny the NSA everybody's favorite no

1477
01:21:58,209 --> 01:21:55,910
such agency that's what NSA me we went

1478
01:22:01,780 --> 01:21:58,219
to court Freedom of Information and

1479
01:22:05,650 --> 01:22:01,790
managed to get them to release 156 pages

1480
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:05,660
of top secret number material you know

1481
01:22:13,260 --> 01:22:08,810
what a dud that was it was all whited

1482
01:22:14,770 --> 01:22:13,270
out except for one line per page I

1483
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:14,780
remember that

1484
01:22:22,050 --> 01:22:18,170
I do remember the CIA we went after them

1485
01:22:25,060 --> 01:22:22,060
we got hundreds of pages of top-secret

1486
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:25,070
no secret mostly that was almost all

1487
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:28,730
secret items all blacked out are you

1488
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:31,370
saying are you saying they can't find it

1489
01:22:36,130 --> 01:22:33,440
now if you go to the NSA

1490
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:36,140
we are haven't been able to locate the

1491
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:40,730
originals are you suggesting Stanton let

1492
01:22:47,790 --> 01:22:42,560
me jump in are you suggesting that this

1493
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:47,800
document that you have is not redacted I

1494
01:22:53,140 --> 01:22:51,290
yeah I'm saying that it isn't that

1495
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:53,150
doesn't make it legitimate you know it

1496
01:22:57,729 --> 01:22:55,760
doesn't it doesn't but it always bummed

1497
01:22:59,860 --> 01:22:57,739
me out when you know the stuff that's

1498
01:23:02,410 --> 01:22:59,870
redacted are the names and the

1499
01:23:05,470 --> 01:23:02,420
information of the people that you can

1500
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:05,480
contact about said document it's the

1501
01:23:10,300 --> 01:23:07,250
most important part of it well that

1502
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:10,310
among other things among and I say the

1503
01:23:15,130 --> 01:23:13,370
NSA documents when there's one mind per

1504
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:15,140
page that you can read and everything

1505
01:23:21,550 --> 01:23:19,130
else is white of that it's ludicrous

1506
01:23:24,959 --> 01:23:21,560
right and I get people telling me the

1507
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:24,969
government can't keep secrets oh really

1508
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:28,370
no tell me what's underneath the white

1509
01:23:38,740 --> 01:23:34,400
out it's funny so what and of course I

1510
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:38,750
don't know how many other people I might

1511
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:41,449
not have copies of documents that are

1512
01:23:47,340 --> 01:23:44,330
exotic and intriguing or whether there

1513
01:23:50,979 --> 01:23:47,350
was a class in Air Force intelligence

1514
01:23:54,189 --> 01:23:50,989
groups gentlemen your job for the next

1515
01:23:58,110 --> 01:23:54,199
two weeks is to come up with a very

1516
01:24:01,920 --> 01:23:58,120
impressive phony classified documents

1517
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:01,930
and you get retirement points if you had

1518
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:08,800
do that successfully right now what I've

1519
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:11,530
got I'm up against a break here a couple

1520
01:24:17,790 --> 01:24:13,840
of couple more questions they'll be

1521
01:24:20,850 --> 01:24:17,800
quick on this document what what's the

1522
01:24:24,450 --> 01:24:20,860
what's the dating of of the said

1523
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:24,460
document oh that's a good question I

1524
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:27,040
don't even remember it's it's quite a

1525
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:30,880
few years ago more than 20 I'd say okay

1526
01:24:40,650 --> 01:24:36,970
so mid-90s 1990 1998 yeah very

1527
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:40,660
interesting and this it mentions you

1528
01:24:45,090 --> 01:24:43,330
should say I'm my email and and

1529
01:24:48,930 --> 01:24:45,100
Twitter's just flooded right now with

1530
01:24:50,990 --> 01:24:48,940
your comments this interview with an

1531
01:24:53,370 --> 01:24:51,000
alien

1532
01:24:55,290 --> 01:24:53,380
anything that you can be specific I'm

1533
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:55,300
sure that we're gonna see the documents

1534
01:25:00,960 --> 01:24:57,850
you're gonna present it at some point

1535
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:00,970
but what can you tell me in the audience

1536
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:07,650
about this interview well it was funny

1537
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:11,050
there were comments in it that were he

1538
01:25:20,610 --> 01:25:15,370
had a sense of humor about you know

1539
01:25:25,380 --> 01:25:20,620
people how programs went on and I was

1540
01:25:28,050 --> 01:25:25,390
surprised at that and you know I'm still

1541
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:28,060
puzzled it's got all the right markings

1542
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:32,410
of a classified document is it real I

1543
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:35,920
can't say yet and now that I'm going to

1544
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:37,810
be retired I mean I'm giving a lecture

1545
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:39,730
in two weeks and I got one more in

1546
01:25:49,500 --> 01:25:46,080
January I may be trying to actually say

1547
01:25:52,350 --> 01:25:49,510
pursue this matter further with

1548
01:25:54,990 --> 01:25:52,360
appropriate information sent to

1549
01:25:58,280 --> 01:25:55,000
appropriate people and you know the

1550
01:26:01,170 --> 01:25:58,290
government is in a peculiar situation

1551
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:01,180
they can't accuse you of violating

1552
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:03,970
security by releasing a document unless

1553
01:26:09,370 --> 01:26:06,320
they can save long

1554
01:26:12,690 --> 01:26:09,380
it's real Stan that's why we're gonna

1555
01:26:17,260 --> 01:26:12,700
bring charges against you right right

1556
01:26:20,140 --> 01:26:17,270
you know catch catch-22 situation it is

1557
01:26:22,750 --> 01:26:20,150
and say I'm violating security if it

1558
01:26:24,490 --> 01:26:22,760
isn't legitimate document Kenya and

1559
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:24,500
that's that dope that's how they would

1560
01:26:31,470 --> 01:26:28,130
play it well and so now you have I've

1561
01:26:34,650 --> 01:26:31,480
got I've got exactly 90 seconds you've

1562
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:34,660
researched the mj-12 documents and and

1563
01:26:39,190 --> 01:26:37,040
thousands of other documents you know

1564
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:39,200
typefaces you know vernacular you know

1565
01:26:43,780 --> 01:26:41,090
the wording you know you know what

1566
01:26:46,270 --> 01:26:43,790
you're looking for here the right stamps

1567
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:46,280
and the right signatures and and you

1568
01:26:51,370 --> 01:26:48,410
know what to look for so when you look

1569
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:51,380
at this document how does it feel to you

1570
01:26:55,090 --> 01:26:53,330
I mean I would think that Staunton you

1571
01:26:58,020 --> 01:26:55,100
would know out of the gate

1572
01:27:01,960 --> 01:26:58,030
within seconds which you were holding

1573
01:27:03,970 --> 01:27:01,970
well I I thought that too but I'll tell

1574
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:03,980
you I read it through a couple times and

1575
01:27:08,370 --> 01:27:05,570
I would let it sit now for a little

1576
01:27:11,050 --> 01:27:08,380
while until I finish getting retired and

1577
01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:11,060
I'm gonna be going back to and I'll be

1578
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:13,520
talking to John and some other people I

1579
01:27:18,220 --> 01:27:15,410
know who've had clearances and looked at

1580
01:27:22,690 --> 01:27:18,230
lots of documents and see what we can

1581
01:27:24,460 --> 01:27:22,700
come up with I would say I'm betting you

1582
01:27:27,490 --> 01:27:24,470
know a good baseball player gets a hit

1583
01:27:30,100 --> 01:27:27,500
30% of the time a really good one forty

1584
01:27:32,650 --> 01:27:30,110
percent of the time but on something

1585
01:27:36,820 --> 01:27:32,660
like this you'd like to be certain you

1586
01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:36,830
know eighty percent you would think yeah

1587
01:27:41,170 --> 01:27:38,480
there's no question about that and if

1588
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:41,180
it's not you know if it's not you know

1589
01:27:48,130 --> 01:27:46,400
1947 1952 you know 1962 those errors

1590
01:27:50,290 --> 01:27:48,140
from the past

1591
01:27:57,780 --> 01:27:50,300
we're not moving into the complete

1592
01:28:01,570 --> 01:27:57,790
modern era was there mention of modern

1593
01:28:05,620 --> 01:28:01,580
UFO event I'm specifically thinking of

1594
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:05,630
maybe Rendlesham or the Phoenix lights

1595
01:28:15,370 --> 01:28:11,600
or something from the modern era uh not

1596
01:28:18,220 --> 01:28:15,380
real modern there were no shockers on

1597
01:28:19,140 --> 01:28:18,230
that score here's this great scoop you

1598
01:28:22,710 --> 01:28:19,150
know right

1599
01:28:26,430 --> 01:28:22,720
and so I'm tantalized I'm teased I'm

1600
01:28:29,250 --> 01:28:26,440
frustrated I'm anxious and if there's

1601
01:28:34,380 --> 01:28:29,260
guys in men and black outside my door

1602
01:28:36,750 --> 01:28:34,390
tomorrow I'm gonna complain it's Jimmy

1603
01:28:40,130 --> 01:28:36,760
I'll take the rap man I'll take the rap

1604
01:28:42,020 --> 01:28:40,140
okay yeah don't send the documents to me

1605
01:28:44,850 --> 01:28:42,030
[Laughter]

1606
01:28:47,220 --> 01:28:44,860
let's take a quick break right here

1607
01:28:49,340 --> 01:28:47,230
Stanton and when we come back we're

1608
01:28:52,500 --> 01:28:49,350
gonna continue this conversation and

1609
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:52,510
obviously I gotta get a little bit more

1610
01:28:58,710 --> 01:28:56,530
into a tip a tip and to the stars

1611
01:29:00,510 --> 01:28:58,720
Academy and we'll do all of that with

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mr. Stanton Friedman

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this is fade to black day two of our UFO

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to black and I only use night-vision

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listening to Jimmy church on fade to

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black I'm Yours

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01:33:59,340 --> 01:33:56,120
Jimmy Church you can follow me on

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01:34:02,020 --> 01:33:59,350
twitter @ JT radio I think statin

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01:34:04,180 --> 01:34:02,030
Santa's got a Twitter account Stanton T

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01:34:05,550 --> 01:34:04,190
Friedman follow him on Twitter too as

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well

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01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:09,020
but I know of there's there's one out

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there one out there I don't know of a

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01:34:23,709 --> 01:34:19,090
Twitter account I leave Twitter to Trump

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01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:23,719
well done well done Stan there's an

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01:34:28,510 --> 01:34:26,000
impostor running around out there okay

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01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:28,520
ignore what I just said everyone but you

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01:34:34,629 --> 01:34:30,850
can follow me on twitter @jj

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01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:34,639
stanton with with this document that you

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01:34:40,660 --> 01:34:36,770
have just mentioned this 48 page

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01:34:44,950 --> 01:34:40,670
document and 1998 or whatever you know

1722
01:34:50,050 --> 01:34:44,960
90s is a is is modern enough for me

1723
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:50,060
and with the tts a revelations that were

1724
01:34:57,310 --> 01:34:52,810
brought forward back in December 2017

1725
01:35:02,320 --> 01:34:57,320
does this document support the position

1726
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:02,330
of Elizondo and and research in is this

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01:35:09,970 --> 01:35:06,170
a military-type document is this an

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01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:09,980
agency document yeah Defense

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01:35:17,410 --> 01:35:12,530
Intelligence Agency kind of document yes

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01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:17,420
and what can I say it looks good it's

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01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:22,010
going to take a lot more work and you

1732
01:35:27,100 --> 01:35:23,690
know you need money to travel and go to

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01:35:29,500 --> 01:35:27,110
I've been to 20 archives and I enjoy

1734
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:29,510
spending time at archives but you got to

1735
01:35:36,550 --> 01:35:32,690
spend money to go to archives and I get

1736
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:36,560
a kick out of much of the money Bob

1737
01:35:42,970 --> 01:35:39,770
Bigelow was involved with on this to the

1738
01:35:47,550 --> 01:35:42,980
Stars Academy and I got Bob's first

1739
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:51,220
travelled to New Mexico and did stuff

1740
01:35:57,340 --> 01:35:55,610
and looked at documents that and

1741
01:36:00,160 --> 01:35:57,350
archives and things like that I'm

1742
01:36:02,260 --> 01:36:00,170
fascinated by archives and because I had

1743
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:02,270
it clearance partly and

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01:36:06,860 --> 01:36:03,360
so

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01:36:08,510 --> 01:36:06,870
I'm sitting here knowing that there's

1746
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:08,520
got to be a ton of stuff that I haven't

1747
01:36:14,930 --> 01:36:12,330
been able to see that nobody I know it

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01:36:18,620 --> 01:36:14,940
as far as I know has been able to see

1749
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:18,630
and it's very frustrating and you know I

1750
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:23,280
I talk about a cosmic Watergate and then

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01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:25,290
I realize a lot of kids today don't even

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01:36:36,860 --> 01:36:29,690
know a Watergate way no kidding

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01:36:39,430 --> 01:36:36,870
well it's true and so we're him we have

1754
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:39,440
a strange situation we've had peace

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01:36:47,150 --> 01:36:43,410
relative peace in the world I mean

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01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:47,160
they're Russians seem to be playing sort

1757
01:36:53,660 --> 01:36:49,920
of nice nice things are happening in

1758
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:53,670
Syria and other places but so and where

1759
01:36:59,420 --> 01:36:56,010
mr. Trump stands on anything I don't

1760
01:37:02,810 --> 01:36:59,430
know I mean I'm a sticker for let's get

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01:37:04,970 --> 01:37:02,820
the facts straight and that's not the

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01:37:07,220 --> 01:37:04,980
business mr. Trump is and as far as I

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01:37:09,890 --> 01:37:07,230
can tell I mean I'm still an American so

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01:37:11,690 --> 01:37:09,900
he still my president he will even

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01:37:13,550 --> 01:37:11,700
though I live in Canada I'm a Canadian

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01:37:19,010 --> 01:37:13,560
as well so I'm complaining about both

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01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:19,020
governments perfectly legally and so

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01:37:24,860 --> 01:37:22,290
we've got puzzles here and I'm hoping

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01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:24,870
both my parents live to be 90 so I

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01:37:28,970 --> 01:37:26,970
figure I got six more years to go so I

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01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:28,980
should be able to solve some kind of

1772
01:37:35,570 --> 01:37:30,570
problem about this stuff in those

1773
01:37:38,540 --> 01:37:35,580
Secours and we shall see and you know if

1774
01:37:44,540 --> 01:37:38,550
there's anybody listening my website is

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01:37:49,940 --> 01:37:44,550
triple w dot Stanton Friedman God come

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01:37:52,100 --> 01:37:49,950
and I'm reachable ah now I answer my own

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01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:52,110
phone and I live in Fredericton New

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01:37:57,380 --> 01:37:54,810
Brunswick Canada so I'm not hiding from

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01:38:01,730 --> 01:37:57,390
anybody I mean I got books out there

1780
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:01,740
sure but still if there's anybody out

1781
01:38:09,260 --> 01:38:06,930
there who would like conversations to be

1782
01:38:11,930 --> 01:38:09,270
off-the-record entirely maybe but to

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01:38:16,490 --> 01:38:11,940
give me some clues where I might go to

1784
01:38:17,230 --> 01:38:16,500
find some other information I I'd be

1785
01:38:19,330 --> 01:38:17,240
delighted to

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01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:19,340
from Loveland I'll share it with John

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01:38:24,820 --> 01:38:22,610
Greenwald because he has earned it if

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01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:24,830
you will yeah I'm going to be calling

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01:38:34,390 --> 01:38:29,690
John tomorrow for sure ok so the other

1790
01:38:37,270 --> 01:38:34,400
part of this line of questions is you've

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01:38:40,540 --> 01:38:37,280
been waiting for a very long time for

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01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:40,550
these moments that we have enjoyed since

1793
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:44,810
December 2017 but it kind of fizzled I

1794
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:48,170
feel like the they took their foot off

1795
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:51,890
the gas yeah I agree with you

1796
01:38:57,550 --> 01:38:53,690
wholeheartedly I keep waiting for the

1797
01:39:00,490 --> 01:38:57,560
other shoe to drop as I say and waiting

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01:39:01,900 --> 01:39:00,500
for somebody that come forward or with a

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01:39:03,460 --> 01:39:01,910
statement from the government said we

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01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:03,470
have these ten documents or we can't

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01:39:08,170 --> 01:39:05,600
release any of them at least it would be

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01:39:09,010 --> 01:39:08,180
positive you know what I mean there's

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01:39:13,900 --> 01:39:09,020
something there

1804
01:39:15,700 --> 01:39:13,910
so I find it very frustrating and you

1805
01:39:17,620 --> 01:39:15,710
know it's kind of like think of

1806
01:39:22,090 --> 01:39:17,630
scientists working in certain projects

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01:39:26,740 --> 01:39:22,100
where they didn't even know what other

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01:39:29,710 --> 01:39:26,750
people were doing I that was related and

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01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:29,720
that would have keep pieces of the

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puzzle and you know it isn't enough for

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01:39:37,330 --> 01:39:35,720
somebody to tell you something it's like

1812
01:39:40,750 --> 01:39:37,340
it's nice that you can explain how

1813
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:40,760
nuclear phishing works but we spent over

1814
01:39:46,390 --> 01:39:43,280
a billion dollars billing and gaseous

1815
01:39:48,700 --> 01:39:46,400
diffusion plant to enrich uranium in

1816
01:39:53,500 --> 01:39:48,710
order to get enough to build a bomb or

1817
01:39:57,580 --> 01:39:53,510
two or three or four etc it that knowing

1818
01:39:59,380 --> 01:39:57,590
that yeah nuclear fission is real where

1819
01:40:01,960 --> 01:39:59,390
do I get the material if you don't go

1820
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:01,970
down to Walmart I'm telling you that and

1821
01:40:11,860 --> 01:40:06,530
so there must be technology about which

1822
01:40:13,480 --> 01:40:11,870
we know nothing and yes we've got the

1823
01:40:15,190 --> 01:40:13,490
nuclear power plants and nuclear

1824
01:40:17,650 --> 01:40:15,200
submarines and if they're aircraft

1825
01:40:22,389 --> 01:40:17,660
carriers and if there are nuclear power

1826
01:40:28,659 --> 01:40:24,489
what do we have to attract the attention

1827
01:40:31,359 --> 01:40:28,669
of the aliens and I certainly would not

1828
01:40:34,389 --> 01:40:31,369
expect any sensible aliens to be giving

1829
01:40:37,029 --> 01:40:34,399
us advanced technology would you trust

1830
01:40:40,659 --> 01:40:37,039
Earthlings with advanced technology well

1831
01:40:43,169 --> 01:40:40,669
you know I'm not so sure I would you

1832
01:40:47,529 --> 01:40:43,179
know I wouldn't write about that and

1833
01:40:51,369 --> 01:40:47,539
there's I I have seen things Staunton

1834
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:51,379
and some of them you know about I don't

1835
01:40:53,949 --> 01:40:53,090
know if you have but we'll get to that

1836
01:40:58,179 --> 01:40:53,959
in a second

1837
01:41:02,799 --> 01:40:58,189
but when I see something go from Terra

1838
01:41:07,389 --> 01:41:02,809
Firma write some glowing plasma that

1839
01:41:10,389 --> 01:41:07,399
that has shape and form to it and take

1840
01:41:14,589 --> 01:41:10,399
five minutes to go from in front of me

1841
01:41:17,859 --> 01:41:14,599
up to the Stars and disappear I have to

1842
01:41:21,639 --> 01:41:17,869
ask the question is that us is it them I

1843
01:41:23,469 --> 01:41:21,649
don't know but if it's alright if it's

1844
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:23,479
us it's technology that they're not

1845
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:27,010
disclosing to us and if it's them

1846
01:41:32,949 --> 01:41:29,570
visiting us for whatever those reasons

1847
01:41:35,469 --> 01:41:32,959
are clearly there's evidence of both

1848
01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:35,479
situations and I know that there is

1849
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:39,199
something going on when when when you

1850
01:41:44,290 --> 01:41:41,679
hear something like that coming from me

1851
01:41:46,989 --> 01:41:44,300
and this is on videotape and we had

1852
01:41:49,239 --> 01:41:46,999
hundreds of witnesses in fact you were

1853
01:41:51,250 --> 01:41:49,249
there but you were not there that's

1854
01:41:58,560 --> 01:41:51,260
that's another part of the story but

1855
01:42:01,149 --> 01:41:58,570
nonetheless the the evidence is clear

1856
01:42:03,639 --> 01:42:01,159
it's right there but what kind of

1857
01:42:08,469 --> 01:42:03,649
propulsion are we talking about here how

1858
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:08,479
is ET getting that type of craft from

1859
01:42:12,939 --> 01:42:11,570
there to here or is it simply is it more

1860
01:42:14,969 --> 01:42:12,949
simple than that they're actually not

1861
01:42:18,459 --> 01:42:14,979
traveling this kind of distance maybe

1862
01:42:21,310 --> 01:42:18,469
maybe it's interdimensional or they're

1863
01:42:23,709 --> 01:42:21,320
folding space well I have a different

1864
01:42:26,049 --> 01:42:23,719
answer for that I think we have two

1865
01:42:28,750 --> 01:42:26,059
parts of the problem travel between the

1866
01:42:30,689 --> 01:42:28,760
stars and once you're in the atmosphere

1867
01:42:33,879 --> 01:42:30,699
of a planet where there is a high

1868
01:42:35,300 --> 01:42:33,889
gravitational field and we have to worry

1869
01:42:37,610 --> 01:42:35,310
about Greg and he

1870
01:42:41,300 --> 01:42:37,620
you know all those sorts of things and

1871
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:41,310
you mentioned the word plasma I'll bet

1872
01:42:44,770 --> 01:42:42,930
most people don't know that two

1873
01:42:49,010 --> 01:42:44,780
different groups actually operated an

1874
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:49,020
electromagnetic submarine seawater is an

1875
01:42:55,130 --> 01:42:52,410
electrically conducting fluid and one

1876
01:42:58,640 --> 01:42:55,140
was a scientist from Stuart way I met

1877
01:43:01,940 --> 01:42:58,650
him from Westinghouse research labs and

1878
01:43:04,430 --> 01:43:01,950
no moving parts and in submarine Reserve

1879
01:43:06,470 --> 01:43:04,440
is 9 feet long and a work electric and

1880
01:43:09,170 --> 01:43:06,480
magnetic fields at right angles to each

1881
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:09,180
other and old physics says produce a

1882
01:43:14,630 --> 01:43:11,970
force at right angles to both you push

1883
01:43:17,150 --> 01:43:14,640
against the seat water it pushes back by

1884
01:43:20,540 --> 01:43:17,160
Newton's laws and opens an old was

1885
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:20,550
around a long time ago and off you go

1886
01:43:27,340 --> 01:43:21,840
now

1887
01:43:31,580 --> 01:43:27,350
I had a literature search done

1888
01:43:36,980 --> 01:43:31,590
government documents only and the

1889
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:36,990
keyword was magneto aerodynamics and I

1890
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:43,280
had like 900 results which shocked me

1891
01:43:48,410 --> 01:43:46,650
abstracts of mine hundred papers holy

1892
01:43:51,770 --> 01:43:48,420
cows somebody was spending a lot of

1893
01:43:55,180 --> 01:43:51,780
dough so we could go in the atmosphere

1894
01:44:02,630 --> 01:43:55,190
on ice there and all that sort of thing

1895
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:02,640
and so I'm waiting to see somebody

1896
01:44:06,770 --> 01:44:05,370
decide that yeah gee maybe that's

1897
01:44:08,750 --> 01:44:06,780
something good we can do on the other

1898
01:44:11,420 --> 01:44:08,760
hand you have to say the biggest use

1899
01:44:12,620 --> 01:44:11,430
would be military wouldn't it doesn't

1900
01:44:15,050 --> 01:44:12,630
everybody want to have a highly

1901
01:44:16,940 --> 01:44:15,060
maneuverable vehicle that can be used to

1902
01:44:19,940 --> 01:44:16,950
drop nuclear weapons on your enemies I

1903
01:44:21,770 --> 01:44:19,950
mean that's the way our world works so I

1904
01:44:24,290 --> 01:44:21,780
can understand why there would be

1905
01:44:29,110 --> 01:44:24,300
reluctant to pursue technology that

1906
01:44:31,550 --> 01:44:29,120
would have this major goal military

1907
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:31,560
zapped all the airplanes around and

1908
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:34,530
spend a lot of dehl advanced technology

1909
01:44:42,440 --> 01:44:39,090
development is not cheap you know

1910
01:44:48,500 --> 01:44:42,450
academics think in terms of millions I'm

1911
01:44:53,450 --> 01:44:48,510
talking billions or more and well

1912
01:45:00,049 --> 01:44:53,460
you know it it doesn't come easy and you

1913
01:45:03,020 --> 01:45:00,059
have to justify to somebody this to the

1914
01:45:05,209 --> 01:45:03,030
stars business Harry Reid was a big

1915
01:45:11,569 --> 01:45:05,219
proponent of that from the senator from

1916
01:45:13,399 --> 01:45:11,579
Nevada and he's proud of having got that

1917
01:45:20,060 --> 01:45:13,409
job off the ground but I'm still waiting

1918
01:45:21,500 --> 01:45:20,070
Harry where are the documents very

1919
01:45:24,459 --> 01:45:21,510
frustrating to know that there's

1920
01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:24,469
something there and you can't get it

1921
01:45:33,140 --> 01:45:28,800
well how do you how do you propose I

1922
01:45:35,270 --> 01:45:33,150
mean with all of your theories and

1923
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:35,280
daydream and night dream where you're

1924
01:45:40,729 --> 01:45:37,730
trying to figure this this situation out

1925
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:40,739
how let's let's just go with Alpha

1926
01:45:45,169 --> 01:45:42,090
Centauri four and a half light-years

1927
01:45:49,490 --> 01:45:45,179
away right it's it's our closest

1928
01:45:50,959 --> 01:45:49,500
neighbor how would you get now four and

1929
01:45:54,259 --> 01:45:50,969
a half light-years doesn't sound like

1930
01:45:56,390 --> 01:45:54,269
much but it is a vast distance vast

1931
01:45:58,359 --> 01:45:56,400
distance and if you're not yes if you're

1932
01:46:00,410 --> 01:45:58,369
not traveling at the speed of light and

1933
01:46:02,660 --> 01:46:00,420
you're just out there cruising around

1934
01:46:04,759 --> 01:46:02,670
it's gonna take you thousands of years

1935
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:04,769
okay thousands well yeah but that's not

1936
01:46:10,009 --> 01:46:05,730
how you do it

1937
01:46:14,060 --> 01:46:10,019
I've tried a little experiment with

1938
01:46:16,220 --> 01:46:14,070
audiences multiple choice question how

1939
01:46:19,509 --> 01:46:16,230
long does it take a 1g acceleration the

1940
01:46:22,459 --> 01:46:19,519
force of gravity right here

1941
01:46:23,509 --> 01:46:22,469
you drop a coin that accelerates as it

1942
01:46:25,759 --> 01:46:23,519
moves toward the ground

1943
01:46:27,589 --> 01:46:25,769
how long does it take it 1g to get close

1944
01:46:30,620 --> 01:46:27,599
to the speed of light a thousand years

1945
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:30,630
100 years ten years or one believe it or

1946
01:46:39,790 --> 01:46:32,489
not many people think it takes a

1947
01:46:42,169 --> 01:46:39,800
thousand years and ten but it's one now

1948
01:46:44,419 --> 01:46:42,179
everyone knows Einstein said the fastest

1949
01:46:47,629 --> 01:46:44,429
being ghosts be light but what they tend

1950
01:46:49,879 --> 01:46:47,639
to neglect when he also said and has

1951
01:46:53,450 --> 01:46:49,889
been demonstrated is that as you get

1952
01:46:56,450 --> 01:46:53,460
close to the speed of light time slows

1953
01:46:59,240 --> 01:46:56,460
down for things moving that fast and you

1954
01:47:00,589 --> 01:46:59,250
say why is that Stan my only answer is

1955
01:47:02,330 --> 01:47:00,599
that's how God made the universe

1956
01:47:04,910 --> 01:47:02,340
I can't think that's the wait

1957
01:47:07,580 --> 01:47:04,920
things are and we've demonstrated it the

1958
01:47:11,830 --> 01:47:07,590
Large Hadron Collider that new jeiza

1959
01:47:22,100 --> 01:47:11,840
Larry are over near Switzerland there

1960
01:47:26,959 --> 01:47:22,110
accelerates particles to 99.9999 that's

1961
01:47:29,089 --> 01:47:26,969
awful boring fast and so you go out come

1962
01:47:31,220 --> 01:47:29,099
back marry your granddaughters best

1963
01:47:37,790 --> 01:47:31,230
friend what the hell that's what's the

1964
01:47:40,550 --> 01:47:37,800
implications and so people look at me

1965
01:47:42,589 --> 01:47:40,560
when I say that I think look we build

1966
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:42,599
these accelerators we have particles

1967
01:47:51,770 --> 01:47:47,040
that go 99.999% of the speed of light

1968
01:47:57,109 --> 01:47:51,780
and we just began the nuclear age if you

1969
01:47:59,540 --> 01:47:57,119
will look I repeat we didn't even know

1970
01:48:00,859 --> 01:47:59,550
there were such things as neutrons even

1971
01:48:07,100 --> 01:48:00,869
though all the elements on the planet

1972
01:48:08,990 --> 01:48:07,110
include them until 1932 that's not very

1973
01:48:11,300 --> 01:48:09,000
long ago we've been around billion

1974
01:48:12,589 --> 01:48:11,310
several billion years of planets been

1975
01:48:19,939 --> 01:48:12,599
around I'm not saying we have been

1976
01:48:23,510 --> 01:48:19,949
around nobody I know so I the first

1977
01:48:26,140 --> 01:48:23,520
thing is the laws of physics do not

1978
01:48:29,899 --> 01:48:26,150
prevent going to the stars

1979
01:48:31,790 --> 01:48:29,909
it's not easy and how do you deal in a

1980
01:48:33,350 --> 01:48:31,800
world in which like I say you go out and

1981
01:48:39,649 --> 01:48:33,360
come back and marry your granddaughters

1982
01:48:41,899 --> 01:48:39,659
best friend that's kind of weird

1983
01:48:44,750 --> 01:48:41,909
thinking you know what I'm saying yes it

1984
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:44,760
is right now the movement in the

1985
01:48:50,780 --> 01:48:49,050
atmosphere I'm magneto aerodynamics and

1986
01:48:57,770 --> 01:48:50,790
this was many years ago and I did that

1987
01:49:01,250 --> 01:48:57,780
study and got over 900 references is

1988
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:01,260
something we know something about and

1989
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:02,880
you can get around all the problems of

1990
01:49:09,530 --> 01:49:04,290
high speed of light

1991
01:49:12,020 --> 01:49:09,540
heating drag lift radar profile all

1992
01:49:14,209 --> 01:49:12,030
these relate to the interaction between

1993
01:49:16,030 --> 01:49:14,219
a vehicle moving in the atmosphere and

1994
01:49:19,970 --> 01:49:16,040
its surrounding

1995
01:49:23,300 --> 01:49:19,980
the vehicle the plasma if you will and

1996
01:49:24,740 --> 01:49:23,310
so forth now I'm not saying somebody

1997
01:49:27,470 --> 01:49:24,750
gives me a million dollars I'll build

1998
01:49:30,620 --> 01:49:27,480
one for you because I know these things

1999
01:49:34,430 --> 01:49:30,630
don't come cheap you may need new

2000
01:49:36,590 --> 01:49:34,440
materials and so forth and you know

2001
01:49:38,450 --> 01:49:36,600
people like to think we know all there

2002
01:49:40,580 --> 01:49:38,460
is to know and there's nothing new to be

2003
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:40,590
learned I don't believe it for a minute

2004
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:48,210
I and I think that progress comes from

2005
01:49:53,330 --> 01:49:50,130
doing things differently in an

2006
01:49:56,620 --> 01:49:53,340
unpredictable way do we need to go

2007
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:56,630
faster in the atmosphere know what for

2008
01:50:02,090 --> 01:49:58,800
shoot down enough somebody else's

2009
01:50:06,110 --> 01:50:02,100
airplane you know don't we have better

2010
01:50:10,250 --> 01:50:06,120
things to do you know that's a different

2011
01:50:14,060 --> 01:50:10,260
kind of question but the notion that you

2012
01:50:15,890 --> 01:50:14,070
can't get here from there basically is

2013
01:50:18,110 --> 01:50:15,900
wrong because it assumes we know all

2014
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:18,120
there is to know and we assumed that the

2015
01:50:23,270 --> 01:50:20,010
person who making that equation doesn't

2016
01:50:25,610 --> 01:50:23,280
know about advanced technology like I

2017
01:50:29,110 --> 01:50:25,620
said I was involved in a study of fusion

2018
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:29,120
which goes on in the stars all the stars

2019
01:50:35,060 --> 01:50:33,690
back in 1962 and it was directed by a

2020
01:50:37,900 --> 01:50:35,070
man who headed the Oak Ridge National

2021
01:50:40,790 --> 01:50:37,910
Laboratory fusion program Tom Luse

2022
01:50:43,310 --> 01:50:40,800
brilliant scientist who didn't have a

2023
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:43,320
college degree incidentally he got two

2024
01:50:51,590 --> 01:50:47,520
honorary ones but had umpteen patents

2025
01:50:57,800 --> 01:50:51,600
and so forth but that was you know a

2026
01:51:00,140 --> 01:50:57,810
long time ago and if I got hundreds of

2027
01:51:02,180 --> 01:51:00,150
references how much more would you get

2028
01:51:05,900 --> 01:51:02,190
today you know if you got access and so

2029
01:51:08,060 --> 01:51:05,910
forth so I on the one hand it's a very

2030
01:51:09,170 --> 01:51:08,070
exciting worldly living because I know

2031
01:51:12,110 --> 01:51:09,180
there are things that we don't know

2032
01:51:16,010 --> 01:51:12,120
about that we should know about we're

2033
01:51:17,870 --> 01:51:16,020
smart enough on the other hand where

2034
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:17,880
there are bigger questions where's the

2035
01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:19,920
planet going can we support more than

2036
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:21,810
what are we got seven and a half billion

2037
01:51:29,890 --> 01:51:27,210
people uh can we extend life can we deal

2038
01:51:32,510 --> 01:51:29,900
with cancer and we you know there's

2039
01:51:35,630 --> 01:51:32,520
practical sorts of things out there

2040
01:51:37,130 --> 01:51:35,640
what worries many is the bad guys

2041
01:51:41,450 --> 01:51:37,140
getting access to the advanced

2042
01:51:43,490 --> 01:51:41,460
technology that that is the big fear

2043
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:43,500
there's there's no question about that

2044
01:51:48,380 --> 01:51:45,840
and we're gonna head towards a break and

2045
01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:48,390
so be I want to get a couple of

2046
01:51:52,250 --> 01:51:49,890
questions in while I have this

2047
01:51:54,140 --> 01:51:52,260
opportunity okay and then and when we

2048
01:51:56,330 --> 01:51:54,150
come back after the break those Staunton

2049
01:51:59,120 --> 01:51:56,340
we're gonna have fun I'm gonna take you

2050
01:52:01,580 --> 01:51:59,130
completely out of your comfort zone but

2051
01:52:04,670 --> 01:52:01,590
before we get there and I look forward

2052
01:52:08,450 --> 01:52:04,680
to this oh I want to tell everybody the

2053
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:08,460
years ago Stanton probably doesn't

2054
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:10,770
remember this but I run into Stanton

2055
01:52:17,450 --> 01:52:13,530
were we're up in Big Bear for this

2056
01:52:19,730 --> 01:52:17,460
conference and and Rita and I pull in

2057
01:52:22,220 --> 01:52:19,740
and who do we run into first Stanton and

2058
01:52:25,460 --> 01:52:22,230
it's it's like 10 o'clock at night and I

2059
01:52:27,980 --> 01:52:25,470
tried I invited Stanton over to the bar

2060
01:52:32,780 --> 01:52:27,990
and you went with us and and we sat down

2061
01:52:36,140 --> 01:52:32,790
and I tried I tried to buy you a martini

2062
01:52:38,210 --> 01:52:36,150
or two and I couldn't my intention was

2063
01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:38,220
back then Stanton was to get you out of

2064
01:52:42,140 --> 01:52:39,810
your comfort zone I wanted to pick your

2065
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:42,150
brain you would have you would have

2066
01:52:46,150 --> 01:52:44,370
nothing of it but you did hang out with

2067
01:52:51,500 --> 01:52:46,160
this till the wee hours of the morning

2068
01:52:53,210 --> 01:52:51,510
but my plan was thwarted but and when we

2069
01:52:55,070 --> 01:52:53,220
come back after the break no martinis

2070
01:52:58,340 --> 01:52:55,080
but I will get you out of your comfort

2071
01:53:00,470 --> 01:52:58,350
zone before we get to the break Jaime

2072
01:53:01,250 --> 01:53:00,480
Shand array what was the last time you

2073
01:53:07,120 --> 01:53:01,260
talked to him

2074
01:53:10,180 --> 01:53:07,130
oh boy years and years and years ago

2075
01:53:13,220 --> 01:53:10,190
really I can't even tell you what it was

2076
01:53:15,020 --> 01:53:13,230
I tried I haven't talked to Bill Moore

2077
01:53:17,480 --> 01:53:15,030
either that was my next question

2078
01:53:20,210 --> 01:53:17,490
you read my mind I've tried to chase

2079
01:53:22,340 --> 01:53:20,220
down Jamie and I would think that who

2080
01:53:23,990 --> 01:53:22,350
would be in our neighborhood here in

2081
01:53:27,050 --> 01:53:24,000
Burbank you know being a television

2082
01:53:30,050 --> 01:53:27,060
producer and I know that's where he was

2083
01:53:32,150 --> 01:53:30,060
last but I've been unsuccessful in those

2084
01:53:35,660 --> 01:53:32,160
attempts and the same thing with the

2085
01:53:38,330 --> 01:53:35,670
William Moore after he was in Pittsburgh

2086
01:53:40,450 --> 01:53:38,340
last I heard that's what I heard two

2087
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:40,460
years and years ago

2088
01:53:48,650 --> 01:53:43,890
so I'm sorry what can I say yeah I know

2089
01:53:51,320 --> 01:53:48,660
life goes on and after after he ran out

2090
01:53:55,400 --> 01:53:51,330
were you there for the famous speech in

2091
01:53:57,560 --> 01:53:55,410
Las Vegas at the MUFON symposium yes and

2092
01:53:59,960 --> 01:53:57,570
I was really upset about it I can only

2093
01:54:09,050 --> 01:53:59,970
imagine was that the last time that you

2094
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:09,060
saw I don't know I might very well have

2095
01:54:13,420 --> 01:54:10,770
been I know we haven't haven't had

2096
01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:13,430
serious contact since then Yeah right

2097
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:18,480
so I don't know some people come and go

2098
01:54:30,140 --> 01:54:25,290
and other day when they went well we had

2099
01:54:33,110 --> 01:54:30,150
a Richard Doty called in by the way to

2100
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:33,120
this program about six months ago out of

2101
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:35,610
the blue just you know I'm hoping lines

2102
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:38,610
on an open line Thursday and and and

2103
01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:41,010
dodi decides to call in I ended up

2104
01:54:45,590 --> 01:54:43,170
having him on the program I didn't want

2105
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:45,600
to let him go I had him on for about 90

2106
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:47,520
minutes and he said something very

2107
01:54:55,070 --> 01:54:52,890
interesting during this conversation by

2108
01:54:57,710 --> 01:54:55,080
the way stand I've never invited him on

2109
01:55:02,600 --> 01:54:57,720
the program I'm he's somebody that I

2110
01:55:04,610 --> 01:55:02,610
don't agree with but he did call in so I

2111
01:55:08,060 --> 01:55:04,620
took the opportunity to ask him some

2112
01:55:12,470 --> 01:55:08,070
questions and he made a statement he

2113
01:55:17,540 --> 01:55:12,480
said that there were two the number is

2114
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:17,550
two that there were two a list speakers

2115
01:55:26,450 --> 01:55:20,570
on the circuit today at UFO conferences

2116
01:55:29,690 --> 01:55:26,460
that were informants disinfo agents and

2117
01:55:31,610 --> 01:55:29,700
he knew them personally does that kind

2118
01:55:34,460 --> 01:55:31,620
of comment coming from Dodie who we

2119
01:55:39,260 --> 01:55:34,470
can't really trust but does that comment

2120
01:55:42,920 --> 01:55:39,270
from Dodie surprise you yes that he

2121
01:55:50,390 --> 01:55:42,930
would say so in general nothing from him

2122
01:55:53,130 --> 01:55:50,400
would surprise but yeah I don't know

2123
01:55:54,959 --> 01:55:53,140
what to make that a Saudi and

2124
01:55:57,899 --> 01:55:54,969
you know I didn't really have much

2125
01:56:03,750 --> 01:55:57,909
contact with them bill had contact with

2126
01:56:05,990 --> 01:56:03,760
them and bill more right but he's one of

2127
01:56:10,709 --> 01:56:06,000
you know you could drop a list of

2128
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:10,719
strange aspects of ufology the rule of

2129
01:56:17,939 --> 01:56:12,850
Richard Doty is certainly one of them

2130
01:56:22,919 --> 01:56:17,949
and we need more historical kind of

2131
01:56:25,260 --> 01:56:22,929
stuff going on and that's why I I can't

2132
01:56:28,439 --> 01:56:25,270
tell you how frustrating it is to know

2133
01:56:31,410 --> 01:56:28,449
that there had to be loads of documents

2134
01:56:33,500 --> 01:56:31,420
written under this to the Stars whatever

2135
01:56:37,110 --> 01:56:33,510
it was before that the advanced threat

2136
01:56:39,750 --> 01:56:37,120
assessment program uh there's gotta be

2137
01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:39,760
paper and I would like to read it darn

2138
01:56:49,620 --> 01:56:45,250
it what can I say yeah I know I know

2139
01:56:52,350 --> 01:56:49,630
yeah when when Richard came out and and

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I I asked him the tough questions there

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was no doubt about that I'm not going to

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01:56:59,220 --> 01:56:57,010
go through all of that now but I asked

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him the tough questions and out of

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01:57:08,729 --> 01:57:04,000
everything from that conversation it was

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01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:08,739
that you know that there were two to two

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01:57:16,740 --> 01:57:10,810
speakers on the circuit right now that

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he knows to be disinfo agents today I've

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got about a minute left

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01:57:27,169 --> 01:57:22,840
why would the any agency be interested

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in ufology and spreading disinfo or

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collecting information from inside of

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the UFO community I would think that

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01:57:38,070 --> 01:57:34,420
they have access to whatever they need

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01:57:40,070 --> 01:57:38,080
and what would what interest will be

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01:57:42,930 --> 01:57:40,080
served in spreading disinformation

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inside of the UFO community today and

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01:57:49,430 --> 01:57:47,380
and I go back you just brought up to the

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stars and they're you know they've got

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ex-cia

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on staff and that I I almost get a

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01:58:00,840 --> 01:57:56,380
little bit uncomfortable and cringe at

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01:58:03,479 --> 01:58:00,850
that thought well I do too I mean I

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respect security having worked under it

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01:58:06,430 --> 01:58:05,230
and suffered there are purposes it

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01:58:09,370 --> 01:58:06,440
serves and there

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been times in the past 60 years that

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I've been around open in my mouth but I

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worried about people the wrong people

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getting access to powerful information

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so you know I don't know where that

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leaves us what there was no book of

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01:58:32,590 --> 01:58:27,370
rights

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what's mankind you know what are we

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entitled to know and I don't know I'm

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not a dictator and have no desire to be

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one and I'm concerned about the future

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of the planet but you know on a personal

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letter level as I say I have a great

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grandson and how's the world what's it

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going to be like and I I'd look at those

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mm uh clear weapons we have exploded and

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who's going to be joining the nuclear

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Club and can we trust them and you know

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questions like that those things scare

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01:59:17,890 --> 01:59:13,640
me you know suicide bombing it's not an

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imaginary concept it's happened there

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01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:19,969
have been people who do that I've done

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that so I don't want the bad guys to be

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01:59:30,580 --> 01:59:28,280
in control of things but how do we get

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01:59:34,120 --> 01:59:30,590
from where we are to where I'd like to

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01:59:38,020 --> 01:59:34,130
see us becoming a part of the Galactic

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Federation may be having a branch of the

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Galactic Federation Intelligence Agency

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01:59:50,140 --> 01:59:46,000
here I'd love to read a history book

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life in the last 10,000 years in our

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neighborhood what has happened and I

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think it would be fascinating to read

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02:00:02,530 --> 01:59:59,870
but how many times have there been alien

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visitations to earth maybe a million

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years ago or ten million years ago

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that's right what happened yeah that's

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exactly the but you would think you know

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02:00:19,860 --> 02:00:17,230
20 to 100 billion planets in our galaxy

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I would think that they've known

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about this beautiful bright blue planet

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of ours for a very long time Stan let's

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take a brandy yes and we'll continue

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this conversation but when I come back

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statin on the hot seat I'm gonna take

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him out of his comfort zone and we're

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gonna do that next

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this is fade to black I'm yours Jimmy

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Church we'll be right back

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[Applause]

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you want to know a secret

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I love ponies I really love ponies I'm

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poor mr. Brooks I fade to black because

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this is fade to black

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with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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host Jimmy Church I'm the game changer

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follow me on Twitter which is completely

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out of control tonight to follow me on

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really enjoying this conversation

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tonight and so am i and Stanton

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this is what we're gonna do I'm gonna go

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a little bit rapid-fire you can take

2332
02:06:03,280 --> 02:06:00,780
your time but I'm gonna ask yourself

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02:06:06,770 --> 02:06:03,290
that you probably have never been asked

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02:06:09,950 --> 02:06:06,780
okay you ready no I'm not saying I have

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02:06:13,160 --> 02:06:09,960
an answer for all the questions let's do

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02:06:16,760 --> 02:06:13,170
it good Bigfoot

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02:06:20,030 --> 02:06:16,770
Stanton what do you think I think that

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02:06:24,050 --> 02:06:20,040
there are there's enough evidence I

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02:06:26,510 --> 02:06:24,060
worked with somebody Bobby and Slater

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02:06:29,810 --> 02:06:26,520
andhe who did a lot of looking at the

2341
02:06:35,090 --> 02:06:29,820
Bigfoot data and I'm convinced that some

2342
02:06:37,970 --> 02:06:35,100
of the reports large creatures sometimes

2343
02:06:41,300 --> 02:06:37,980
associated with UFOs which raises all

2344
02:06:44,630 --> 02:06:41,310
kinds of questions are really out there

2345
02:06:47,420 --> 02:06:44,640
and no I can't bring one into the lab

2346
02:06:49,340 --> 02:06:47,430
and stuff like that I was just reading

2347
02:06:54,080 --> 02:06:49,350
recently that apparently there are still

2348
02:06:55,490 --> 02:06:54,090
in Central America places native tribes

2349
02:07:00,729 --> 02:06:55,500
that have never had contact with the

2350
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outside world you know it's a big planet

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02:07:13,060 --> 02:07:07,440
for Bigfoot many men in black stanton

2352
02:07:16,729 --> 02:07:13,070
have you been visited over the years no

2353
02:07:19,220 --> 02:07:16,739
I have to say that I mean I can't prove

2354
02:07:22,310 --> 02:07:19,230
that nobody I ever talked to was really

2355
02:07:23,660 --> 02:07:22,320
a secret government agent in disguise

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02:07:26,750 --> 02:07:23,670
and I will say this there was one

2357
02:07:29,410 --> 02:07:26,760
occasion when I gave a lecture at a

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college in New Mexico of all places

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where a guy asked he told me he was very

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02:07:38,300 --> 02:07:35,160
interested in the subject and so forth

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02:07:41,810 --> 02:07:38,310
and invited me over to his home which

2362
02:07:44,419 --> 02:07:41,820
was kind of unusual and but he said

2363
02:07:46,669 --> 02:07:44,429
enough to get me intrigued about any new

2364
02:07:47,180 --> 02:07:46,679
stuff and apparently they had been

2365
02:07:51,560 --> 02:07:47,190
paying at

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02:07:53,990 --> 02:07:51,570
attention to me and they thought I was

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doing ok it was a right they were not

2368
02:08:03,709 --> 02:07:58,530
worried about me and so that got me

2369
02:08:06,470 --> 02:08:03,719
wondering you know how many intelligence

2370
02:08:08,290 --> 02:08:06,480
agencies have a court sort of a UFO

2371
02:08:11,510 --> 02:08:08,300
subsection if you will

2372
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keeping tabs on who's doing what or

2373
02:08:17,689 --> 02:08:14,070
shouldn't be or somebody about to break

2374
02:08:20,600 --> 02:08:17,699
loose or you know stuff like that but

2375
02:08:24,140 --> 02:08:20,610
that that's as close as I've come I

2376
02:08:26,990 --> 02:08:24,150
haven't been threatened by anybody I was

2377
02:08:30,080 --> 02:08:27,000
told I wasn't bothering people that it

2378
02:08:32,030 --> 02:08:30,090
was ok which I guess was sort of

2379
02:08:34,640 --> 02:08:32,040
comforting I'd have been worried if he

2380
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had said Stan you're on a list and you

2381
02:08:39,830 --> 02:08:36,690
better watch your back if somebody had

2382
02:08:44,479 --> 02:08:39,840
said that to me I'd be very concerned so

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I I have lived the peaceful existence oh

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I guess I had it clearance for 14 years

2385
02:08:53,060 --> 02:08:50,810
I respect security I think people know

2386
02:08:54,709 --> 02:08:53,070
anybody who's listened to my lectures

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02:08:58,300 --> 02:08:54,719
and stuff knows that my approach is to

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go for the facts for the data and

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ascertain which are like concerned with

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the peaceful future of the planet not

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just because I have a great grandson but

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that's part of the picture so it's not

2393
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my ego that needs to be fed here is what

2394
02:09:24,229 --> 02:09:21,570
I'm saying and so I'm not gonna worry

2395
02:09:27,260 --> 02:09:24,239
about men in black you know famous last

2396
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words I suppose but they've been at this

2397
02:09:33,260 --> 02:09:30,239
a long time well after after tonight's

2398
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show do me a favor call me tomorrow and

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all right next question your favorite

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UFO photo not the best photo but your

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favorite and for me it's Rex heflin's

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stuff but it's it's not the best but

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it's my favorite for you what's your

2404
02:10:03,299 --> 02:10:00,760
favorite Lee

2405
02:10:06,089 --> 02:10:03,309
what went through my mind when they

2406
02:10:12,689 --> 02:10:06,099
asked my question was the Rex Heflin

2407
02:10:16,200 --> 02:10:12,699
pictures so I I don't know I I'm yeah I

2408
02:10:19,439 --> 02:10:16,210
I defer to Bruce Maccabee use an optical

2409
02:10:21,810 --> 02:10:19,449
physicist dr. Bruce Maccabee who's

2410
02:10:24,750 --> 02:10:21,820
examined a lot of photos and very

2411
02:10:26,700 --> 02:10:24,760
carefully and I'm certainly convinced

2412
02:10:30,479 --> 02:10:26,710
that there are a number that are genuine

2413
02:10:33,060 --> 02:10:30,489
I like the ones the santa the haplin

2414
02:10:35,100 --> 02:10:33,070
photos certainly are on my list and i

2415
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:35,110
show them at my lectures when i get a

2416
02:10:43,529 --> 02:10:41,530
chance to and i was trying to think of

2417
02:10:45,450 --> 02:10:43,539
one that i saw recently where the heck

2418
02:10:47,279 --> 02:10:45,460
was I don't even remember where it was

2419
02:10:50,040 --> 02:10:47,289
because I'm past the point where I need

2420
02:10:53,069 --> 02:10:50,050
to have a picture to prove that there

2421
02:10:55,020 --> 02:10:53,079
are things out there you know as I say

2422
02:10:57,299 --> 02:10:55,030
to people that look I've never seen a

2423
02:11:00,390 --> 02:10:57,309
neutron I've never seen a gamma-ray I'm

2424
02:11:01,859 --> 02:11:00,400
convinced they're real too so yes I'm

2425
02:11:04,470 --> 02:11:01,869
satisfied that there are pictures that

2426
02:11:06,089 --> 02:11:04,480
pass muster with professional scientists

2427
02:11:10,109 --> 02:11:06,099
who spent a lot of time looking at them

2428
02:11:13,470 --> 02:11:10,119
dr. Bruce Eiger being one but I don't

2429
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:13,480
make a big deal about that and you know

2430
02:11:17,370 --> 02:11:15,010
people say why don't we have better

2431
02:11:20,370 --> 02:11:17,380
pictures what do you want the moon is

2432
02:11:29,910 --> 02:11:20,380
huge in the sky at arm's length it's the

2433
02:11:33,180 --> 02:11:29,920
size of a pea you know we they're a

2434
02:11:35,759 --> 02:11:33,190
bunch of pictures that I show that I

2435
02:11:39,089 --> 02:11:35,769
think are legitimate but they're not the

2436
02:11:41,009 --> 02:11:39,099
essence of the story you know I know

2437
02:11:43,649 --> 02:11:41,019
that the government there are fighter

2438
02:11:45,569 --> 02:11:43,659
pilots who've come fairly close to UFOs

2439
02:11:48,390 --> 02:11:45,579
and taking good pictures with good

2440
02:11:50,430 --> 02:11:48,400
cameras let's face it the best equipment

2441
02:11:52,379 --> 02:11:50,440
around is owned by the government for

2442
02:11:55,439 --> 02:11:52,389
whether its radar I don't have my own

2443
02:11:57,029 --> 02:11:55,449
radar installation you know I don't have

2444
02:11:59,339 --> 02:11:57,039
a high speed craft that I can get up

2445
02:12:01,259 --> 02:11:59,349
close to a saucer if somebody calls me

2446
02:12:03,390 --> 02:12:01,269
from someplace hey get over here Stan

2447
02:12:07,439 --> 02:12:03,400
they sitting right outside my window I

2448
02:12:10,830 --> 02:12:07,449
mean you know right right well if the

2449
02:12:13,130 --> 02:12:10,840
the Costa Rican mapping picture from

2450
02:12:17,240 --> 02:12:13,140
high altitude with that disc below the

2451
02:12:21,110 --> 02:12:17,250
plain that that that is that may be the

2452
02:12:21,710 --> 02:12:21,120
best that's a crazy picture but I agree

2453
02:12:23,900 --> 02:12:21,720
with you

2454
02:12:27,800 --> 02:12:23,910
well I like the trend odd-even trend

2455
02:12:31,100 --> 02:12:27,810
dodgy photos from Brazil yes off the

2456
02:12:34,790 --> 02:12:31,110
island dodgy and I I'm satisfied that

2457
02:12:39,620 --> 02:12:34,800
they're genuine and okay that's nice

2458
02:12:42,080 --> 02:12:39,630
just like physical trace cases after

2459
02:12:44,060 --> 02:12:42,090
you've looked at the first four hundred

2460
02:12:47,000 --> 02:12:44,070
such cases Ted Phillips has collected

2461
02:12:49,730 --> 02:12:47,010
thousands of such reports enough is

2462
02:12:52,040 --> 02:12:49,740
enough okay I'm convinced that the alien

2463
02:12:54,350 --> 02:12:52,050
craft land and but they have an impact

2464
02:12:56,690 --> 02:12:54,360
on the soil beneath them and so forth

2465
02:13:00,860 --> 02:12:56,700
one six of those cases involved reports

2466
02:13:04,850 --> 02:13:00,870
of being seen with the craft okay

2467
02:13:06,680 --> 02:13:04,860
you know I it's stated my conclusions

2468
02:13:10,550 --> 02:13:06,690
for a very long time that the evidence

2469
02:13:11,570 --> 02:13:10,560
is overwhelming that some UFOs are

2470
02:13:14,150 --> 02:13:11,580
intelligently controlled

2471
02:13:17,030 --> 02:13:14,160
extraterrestrial spacecraft most or not

2472
02:13:20,860 --> 02:13:17,040
I don't care right right whoa-ohh next

2473
02:13:23,420 --> 02:13:20,870
question besides Betty and Barney Hill

2474
02:13:29,410 --> 02:13:23,430
okay so let's put that to the side

2475
02:13:31,820 --> 02:13:29,420
yes what's the best UFO case ever well

2476
02:13:35,780 --> 02:13:31,830
it depends on how you evaluate that

2477
02:13:38,390 --> 02:13:35,790
certainly I'm I've written three books

2478
02:13:41,480 --> 02:13:38,400
with Betty's nice Cathleen Martin and

2479
02:13:44,780 --> 02:13:41,490
one of them is captured the story is a

2480
02:13:46,850 --> 02:13:44,790
very important UFO experience so there's

2481
02:13:48,880 --> 02:13:46,860
no question I'm in the camp I met them

2482
02:13:51,950 --> 02:13:48,890
both of course

2483
02:13:55,790 --> 02:13:51,960
Barney died less than a year after I met

2484
02:13:57,530 --> 02:13:55,800
him I think it was but oh and I'm

2485
02:14:00,730 --> 02:13:57,540
particularly intrigued by that starmap

2486
02:14:03,950 --> 02:14:00,740
work and all that sort of stuff but

2487
02:14:06,740 --> 02:14:03,960
there are lots of abduction cases around

2488
02:14:10,130 --> 02:14:06,750
and are good abduction researchers

2489
02:14:12,740 --> 02:14:10,140
Kathleen Martin as there's an

2490
02:14:16,180 --> 02:14:12,750
organization called free I wish I could

2491
02:14:18,290 --> 02:14:16,190
remember what fr he stands for but

2492
02:14:22,300 --> 02:14:18,300
they've done a lot of looking at

2493
02:14:27,020 --> 02:14:22,310
contacts with aliens for one of a better

2494
02:14:31,200 --> 02:14:27,030
phrase and so

2495
02:14:32,419 --> 02:14:31,210
Hill case I'd like because we're very

2496
02:14:34,830 --> 02:14:32,429
fortunate

2497
02:14:38,759 --> 02:14:34,840
those two people Betty and Barney Hill

2498
02:14:42,959 --> 02:14:38,769
did not need or want publicity no doubt

2499
02:14:47,189 --> 02:14:42,969
a mixed marriage in 1961 black man white

2500
02:14:49,859 --> 02:14:47,199
woman bade the last thing they needed

2501
02:14:51,870 --> 02:14:49,869
was external publicity they were active

2502
02:14:55,620 --> 02:14:51,880
in civil rights activities and some way

2503
02:14:59,430 --> 02:14:55,630
i betty was a social worker so what

2504
02:15:02,069 --> 02:14:59,440
intrigued me was how they were very

2505
02:15:04,919 --> 02:15:02,079
fortunate to wind up with dr. Benjamin

2506
02:15:08,040 --> 02:15:04,929
Simon a psychiatrist I knew nothing

2507
02:15:12,450 --> 02:15:08,050
about flying saucers but knew a great

2508
02:15:14,359 --> 02:15:12,460
deal about how to get people back to

2509
02:15:16,259 --> 02:15:14,369
living normally you'd had traumatic

2510
02:15:18,180 --> 02:15:16,269
experiences you know suppose your

2511
02:15:22,229 --> 02:15:18,190
buddies had got blown off next to you in

2512
02:15:24,890 --> 02:15:22,239
battle that's not easy to integrate and

2513
02:15:27,689 --> 02:15:24,900
you know I saw a good example that how

2514
02:15:29,970 --> 02:15:27,699
surprising things can can upset it I

2515
02:15:32,580 --> 02:15:29,980
live in Fredericton New Brunswick a

2516
02:15:36,120 --> 02:15:32,590
lovely town about 60,000 the capital of

2517
02:15:40,799 --> 02:15:36,130
New Brunswick we had four murders here

2518
02:15:42,629 --> 02:15:40,809
not very long ago and the town still

2519
02:15:43,950 --> 02:15:42,639
hasn't gotten over that it's just not

2520
02:15:45,209 --> 02:15:43,960
the kind of place where that sort of

2521
02:15:47,069 --> 02:15:45,219
thing happens and two of them were

2522
02:15:51,859 --> 02:15:47,079
people who were murdered were police

2523
02:15:56,100 --> 02:15:51,869
officer one of them a woman and I saw

2524
02:16:01,560 --> 02:15:56,110
how difficult it was for people to to

2525
02:16:05,100 --> 02:16:01,570
deal with that mm-hmm you know you think

2526
02:16:07,109 --> 02:16:05,110
you can just wipe it off but you can't I

2527
02:16:09,060 --> 02:16:07,119
mean I brought my family here from

2528
02:16:10,770 --> 02:16:09,070
California with all that crime and all

2529
02:16:13,560 --> 02:16:10,780
I'd try to stop to live peacefully and

2530
02:16:16,350 --> 02:16:13,570
all that stuff and how could this happen

2531
02:16:19,009 --> 02:16:16,360
here and is there somebody else out

2532
02:16:22,220 --> 02:16:19,019
there or is going to do it again and

2533
02:16:28,009 --> 02:16:22,230
it's shocking and so that makes me think

2534
02:16:32,700 --> 02:16:28,019
and I did a monthly column about okay

2535
02:16:36,120 --> 02:16:32,710
how will we react to the truth about

2536
02:16:39,000 --> 02:16:36,130
aliens being put out on the table it's

2537
02:16:39,870 --> 02:16:39,010
not easy to say and it's not easy to

2538
02:16:41,940 --> 02:16:39,880
deal with

2539
02:16:44,339 --> 02:16:41,950
even for me and I've been talking about

2540
02:16:53,160 --> 02:16:44,349
him since 1967 when I gave him a first

2541
02:16:56,540 --> 02:16:53,170
lecture the the Bob Lazar situation have

2542
02:17:02,969 --> 02:16:56,550
your feelings changed over the years

2543
02:17:05,360 --> 02:17:02,979
well I have to say no because I got

2544
02:17:07,290 --> 02:17:05,370
asked about him more than 20 years ago

2545
02:17:09,540 --> 02:17:07,300
because he claimed to be a nuclear

2546
02:17:12,209 --> 02:17:09,550
physicist and people knew I was so I

2547
02:17:16,139 --> 02:17:12,219
figured I better do as much as I could

2548
02:17:18,389 --> 02:17:16,149
to get the facts so George Knapp a fine

2549
02:17:22,320 --> 02:17:18,399
newsmen and Las Vegas

2550
02:17:24,719 --> 02:17:22,330
I gave me some information and I checked

2551
02:17:26,280 --> 02:17:24,729
III did as much checking as I could

2552
02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:26,290
first I checked the membership of the

2553
02:17:30,299 --> 02:17:28,170
professional groups to which I belong

2554
02:17:32,580 --> 02:17:30,309
American nuclear society American

2555
02:17:34,410 --> 02:17:32,590
Physical Society the American state of

2556
02:17:37,770 --> 02:17:34,420
aeronautics and Astronautics and Bob

2557
02:17:38,730 --> 02:17:37,780
wasn't listed by any of them then I went

2558
02:17:41,910 --> 02:17:38,740
a little deeper

2559
02:17:45,450 --> 02:17:41,920
I checked with he claimed to have gone

2560
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:45,460
to MIT to have a master's in them MIT

2561
02:17:50,969 --> 02:17:48,010
nuclear physics and masters from Caltech

2562
02:17:54,000 --> 02:17:50,979
and electronics and neither one of them

2563
02:17:57,299 --> 02:17:54,010
ever heard of him then I went a step

2564
02:17:59,120 --> 02:17:57,309
farther and called us high school and

2565
02:18:03,209 --> 02:17:59,130
said I'm getting conflicting information

2566
02:18:05,070 --> 02:18:03,219
here uh what can you tell me well call

2567
02:18:08,459 --> 02:18:05,080
me but I call high risk paperwork here

2568
02:18:10,169 --> 02:18:08,469
and I did and she did and let's see

2569
02:18:13,169 --> 02:18:10,179
first thing she says he graduated in

2570
02:18:15,660 --> 02:18:13,179
August not with his class now guys would

2571
02:18:20,190 --> 02:18:15,670
go to MIT graduate with their class you

2572
02:18:23,459 --> 02:18:20,200
know and Caltech and so forth and then I

2573
02:18:25,500 --> 02:18:23,469
asked well he was valedictorian I'm not

2574
02:18:29,339 --> 02:18:25,510
proud he never said he was valedictorian

2575
02:18:33,480 --> 02:18:29,349
nobody else did and she said no he was

2576
02:18:40,889 --> 02:18:33,490
not left and I said well was he in the

2577
02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:40,899
top ten no top 28 no top 50 no top 100

2578
02:18:47,759 --> 02:18:44,010
no and she's laughing by this time and

2579
02:18:52,020 --> 02:18:47,769
finally it was like 265 out of 360

2580
02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:52,030
bottom third of his class so I knew he

2581
02:18:55,410 --> 02:18:53,290
had

2582
02:18:59,669 --> 02:18:55,420
you don't get into MIT or Caltech from

2583
02:19:04,620 --> 02:18:59,679
the bottom 30 class you know and I

2584
02:19:09,230 --> 02:19:04,630
checked to more than one person at each

2585
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:09,240
of the institutions and so forth and so

2586
02:19:15,650 --> 02:19:13,210
and I get asked periodically and I will

2587
02:19:20,790 --> 02:19:15,660
admit he seems to be a very sharp guy

2588
02:19:25,260 --> 02:19:20,800
okay he's not stupid but he is lying

2589
02:19:27,150 --> 02:19:25,270
about his own background he doesn't have

2590
02:19:29,490 --> 02:19:27,160
those degrees which were the reason some

2591
02:19:31,470 --> 02:19:29,500
people thought he did and therefore

2592
02:19:33,660 --> 02:19:31,480
believed him because people with those

2593
02:19:36,629 --> 02:19:33,670
degree should be believable it says here

2594
02:19:38,400 --> 02:19:36,639
in small print so I haven't really

2595
02:19:41,850 --> 02:19:38,410
changed and I haven't done anything new

2596
02:19:44,100 --> 02:19:41,860
in the last few years they've seen no

2597
02:19:46,950 --> 02:19:44,110
reason to change my mind I'm open

2598
02:19:48,870 --> 02:19:46,960
give me some evidence you know I checked

2599
02:19:53,580 --> 02:19:48,880
I couldn't find any technical report

2600
02:19:57,780 --> 02:19:53,590
studied bread written nothing to

2601
02:20:00,570 --> 02:19:57,790
substantiate so absence of evidence is

2602
02:20:04,500 --> 02:20:00,580
not evidence for absence it means you

2603
02:20:06,511 --> 02:20:04,510
don't have any data to support it so I'm

2604
02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:06,521
not I'm satisfied that there's nothing

2605
02:20:14,490 --> 02:20:08,650
there somebody shows me so I'm gonna be

2606
02:20:17,100 --> 02:20:14,500
happy who built the Great Pyramid well

2607
02:20:21,540 --> 02:20:17,110
you know the business about pyramids is

2608
02:20:24,180 --> 02:20:21,550
intriguing to me because again as I said

2609
02:20:26,580 --> 02:20:24,190
I'm ready to start we have found that

2610
02:20:29,580 --> 02:20:26,590
there are planets all over the place out

2611
02:20:33,240 --> 02:20:29,590
there far more than we had anticipated

2612
02:20:35,250 --> 02:20:33,250
and when you look at the age you know

2613
02:20:39,210 --> 02:20:35,260
there are still people saying 5,000

2614
02:20:41,630 --> 02:20:39,220
years the lifespan of life for 6,000

2615
02:20:46,200 --> 02:20:41,640
years on this planet and as opposed to

2616
02:20:48,630 --> 02:20:46,210
billions of years so I don't know who

2617
02:20:51,710 --> 02:20:48,640
built the pyramids but it wouldn't

2618
02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:51,720
surprise me if there was an element of

2619
02:20:59,430 --> 02:20:54,250
extraterrestrial 'ti in the sense of I

2620
02:21:01,920 --> 02:20:59,440
think ETS have come here and kind of way

2621
02:21:05,250 --> 02:21:01,930
come back whatever it's a nice place to

2622
02:21:06,840 --> 02:21:05,260
visit on your way to someplace else for

2623
02:21:09,870 --> 02:21:06,850
all I know where somebody's calling

2624
02:21:11,250 --> 02:21:09,880
to begin with somebody else could say

2625
02:21:12,780 --> 02:21:11,260
well you're maybe you're somebody's crop

2626
02:21:15,929 --> 02:21:12,790
you know and they're serving Earthlings

2627
02:21:19,559 --> 02:21:15,939
for dinner I asked I have no way of

2628
02:21:23,099 --> 02:21:19,569
saying but I am fascinated by the

2629
02:21:27,109 --> 02:21:23,109
history of our planet and also by how

2630
02:21:32,969 --> 02:21:27,119
ignorant we are of that history I mean

2631
02:21:34,649 --> 02:21:32,979
Enric Lehman found Troy you know the

2632
02:21:35,519 --> 02:21:34,659
legend of Troy and all that sort of

2633
02:21:39,149 --> 02:21:35,529
stuff he dug down

2634
02:21:42,960 --> 02:21:39,159
uh it was 67 feet 70 feet something like

2635
02:21:46,950 --> 02:21:42,970
that there aren't many parts of the

2636
02:21:50,880 --> 02:21:46,960
planet we've dug down 60 or 70 feet I I

2637
02:21:52,950 --> 02:21:50,890
wish that a Navy nuclear-powered

2638
02:21:55,800 --> 02:21:52,960
submarine was scouting around on the

2639
02:21:59,849 --> 02:21:55,810
bottom of the ocean looking for wrecks

2640
02:22:01,590 --> 02:21:59,859
and history and stuff like that and I'll

2641
02:22:03,269 --> 02:22:01,600
bet we'd find all kinds of interesting

2642
02:22:07,969 --> 02:22:03,279
things but that's not how we spend our

2643
02:22:10,139 --> 02:22:07,979
money you know so I think the aliens

2644
02:22:11,969 --> 02:22:10,149
civilizations may have had something to

2645
02:22:15,210 --> 02:22:11,979
do with the pyramids now maybe we are

2646
02:22:18,389 --> 02:22:15,220
built as a beacon for a competition my

2647
02:22:22,830 --> 02:22:18,399
pyramids bring in your pyramid not a bad

2648
02:22:25,559 --> 02:22:22,840
idea not a bad idea could be one of the

2649
02:22:28,469 --> 02:22:25,569
things one of the things about it and

2650
02:22:30,179 --> 02:22:28,479
you have such a great mind when it comes

2651
02:22:33,450 --> 02:22:30,189
to this stuff and especially when it

2652
02:22:36,570 --> 02:22:33,460
comes to documents and writing the Great

2653
02:22:39,330 --> 02:22:36,580
Pyramid quite frankly it's it's no great

2654
02:22:41,639 --> 02:22:39,340
mystery here but there's no high work

2655
02:22:45,030 --> 02:22:41,649
there's nothing there's nothing on that

2656
02:22:46,530 --> 02:22:45,040
pyramid it doesn't make any sense

2657
02:22:48,389 --> 02:22:46,540
especially if you're gonna build a

2658
02:22:51,389 --> 02:22:48,399
pyramid bigger than the next guy right

2659
02:22:54,240 --> 02:22:51,399
well you're gonna mark it and there is

2660
02:22:55,439 --> 02:22:54,250
the lack of anything like that there

2661
02:22:58,139 --> 02:22:55,449
could it be

2662
02:23:02,189 --> 02:22:58,149
Staunton that it was built before there

2663
02:23:05,099 --> 02:23:02,199
was hieroglyphics of course it could be

2664
02:23:08,010 --> 02:23:05,109
and there's there still mysteries out

2665
02:23:12,389 --> 02:23:08,020
there and I'm intrigued by mysteries of

2666
02:23:15,429 --> 02:23:12,399
mysteries take money to investigate you

2667
02:23:20,210 --> 02:23:15,439
know as I say I've traveled around I

2668
02:23:21,739 --> 02:23:20,220
lectured 19 countries and fortunately

2669
02:23:23,510 --> 02:23:21,749
there were people who paid me to lecture

2670
02:23:27,050 --> 02:23:23,520
so I can afford to go to those countries

2671
02:23:29,000 --> 02:23:27,060
and go to archives and stuff like that

2672
02:23:31,219 --> 02:23:29,010
and I am very grateful to the mutual UFO

2673
02:23:37,580 --> 02:23:31,229
network on occasion to the Center for

2674
02:23:42,519 --> 02:23:37,590
UFO studies its research doesn't come

2675
02:23:45,229 --> 02:23:42,529
cheap so I wish we could spend more

2676
02:23:47,119 --> 02:23:45,239
research on finding out the truth about

2677
02:23:49,540 --> 02:23:47,129
some of the mysteries of our planet

2678
02:23:52,960 --> 02:23:49,550
somebody had mentioned Bigfoot earlier I

2679
02:23:56,029 --> 02:23:52,970
would like to see more effort put in

2680
02:24:00,830 --> 02:23:56,039
instead of into better means of killing

2681
02:24:05,529 --> 02:24:00,840
people you know we do a lot of that so

2682
02:24:08,830 --> 02:24:05,539
the pyramids are you know a beacon for

2683
02:24:13,219 --> 02:24:08,840
curiosity how the heck did that happen

2684
02:24:15,920 --> 02:24:13,229
you know who looked at and why and

2685
02:24:20,119 --> 02:24:15,930
there's more than one after all and most

2686
02:24:22,819 --> 02:24:20,129
things are darn big right that's not a

2687
02:24:26,809 --> 02:24:22,829
little teepee on the corner no it is not

2688
02:24:29,960 --> 02:24:26,819
no it is it is so funny how how little

2689
02:24:32,750 --> 02:24:29,970
we know and amnesia right ok one last

2690
02:24:36,769 --> 02:24:32,760
question before I have to say good night

2691
02:24:40,309 --> 02:24:36,779
or a good morning to you which is shag

2692
02:24:43,550 --> 02:24:40,319
harbour shag harbour yeah for some

2693
02:24:45,859 --> 02:24:43,560
reason is like the redheaded stepchild

2694
02:24:48,819 --> 02:24:45,869
of ufology nobody talks about it there's

2695
02:24:54,859 --> 02:24:48,829
no real and it's right there documented

2696
02:24:58,309 --> 02:24:54,869
an amazing event happened right there in

2697
02:25:01,250 --> 02:24:58,319
in Canada first off what are your

2698
02:25:03,769 --> 02:25:01,260
opinions on shag harbour and and second

2699
02:25:06,739 --> 02:25:03,779
why is it that everybody wants to talk

2700
02:25:09,679 --> 02:25:06,749
about the Roswell which is fine or

2701
02:25:12,559 --> 02:25:09,689
Rendlesham which is fine or Malmstrom

2702
02:25:15,229 --> 02:25:12,569
Air Force Base and and I love Travis

2703
02:25:17,300 --> 02:25:15,239
Walton and and all of that but shag

2704
02:25:20,840 --> 02:25:17,310
harbour is not on that list for

2705
02:25:23,000 --> 02:25:20,850
everybody why well I've been there I

2706
02:25:25,399 --> 02:25:23,010
spoke at the conference there and I've

2707
02:25:28,219 --> 02:25:25,409
talked to some of the witnesses and on

2708
02:25:28,730 --> 02:25:28,229
Mike Ross wall it happened a lot more

2709
02:25:31,520 --> 02:25:28,740
reason

2710
02:25:34,160 --> 02:25:31,530
so the people aren't so old I think it's

2711
02:25:36,770 --> 02:25:34,170
very hard to find them pristine Roswell

2712
02:25:38,750 --> 02:25:36,780
witness I mean it happened you know 47

2713
02:25:42,261 --> 02:25:38,760
is a long time ago those people aren't

2714
02:25:44,180 --> 02:25:42,271
about I think Shaq Harbor is an

2715
02:25:46,180 --> 02:25:44,190
excellent case but I don't think they've

2716
02:25:51,051 --> 02:25:46,190
had one of their conferences for a while

2717
02:25:53,301 --> 02:25:51,061
and it's I was gonna say in the middle

2718
02:25:56,660 --> 02:25:53,311
of nowhere that that's not a fair

2719
02:26:00,080 --> 02:25:56,670
statement but it's pretty close it's not

2720
02:26:02,660 --> 02:26:00,090
on the mainstream and it hasn't there

2721
02:26:07,671 --> 02:26:02,670
hasn't been a serious effort to you know

2722
02:26:11,421 --> 02:26:07,681
it's not like why is Roswell well we

2723
02:26:13,610 --> 02:26:11,431
forget that there were a lot of people

2724
02:26:15,830 --> 02:26:13,620
involved in the Roswell incident and

2725
02:26:18,290 --> 02:26:15,840
that New Mexico was the home of two of

2726
02:26:19,780 --> 02:26:18,300
the three nuclear weapons labs in the

2727
02:26:23,060 --> 02:26:19,790
home of White Sands Missile Range

2728
02:26:24,290 --> 02:26:23,070
there's an awful lot of military and

2729
02:26:27,261 --> 02:26:24,300
high-technology

2730
02:26:31,011 --> 02:26:27,271
activity there we can see why aliens

2731
02:26:33,320 --> 02:26:31,021
would go there and you can see why the

2732
02:26:38,511 --> 02:26:33,330
government would shut up about I mean

2733
02:26:40,631 --> 02:26:38,521
there's Los Alamos you know budget over

2734
02:26:44,900 --> 02:26:40,641
a billion dollars a year

2735
02:26:48,470 --> 02:26:44,910
monix security around that place so che

2736
02:26:51,801 --> 02:26:48,480
Harbor is a stepchild of the movement if

2737
02:26:52,551 --> 02:26:51,811
you will I wish it weren't so but what

2738
02:26:57,830 --> 02:26:52,561
can I say

2739
02:27:03,470 --> 02:26:57,840
I do as far as shag Harbor goes do you

2740
02:27:05,500 --> 02:27:03,480
think it was a legit UFO situation or do

2741
02:27:10,910 --> 02:27:05,510
you think that it was something else I

2742
02:27:14,330 --> 02:27:10,920
think it was a UFO situation yes the

2743
02:27:16,940 --> 02:27:14,340
Navy it was certainly concerned and the

2744
02:27:19,150 --> 02:27:16,950
United States Navy and military was

2745
02:27:22,671 --> 02:27:19,160
concerned yes about it well yeah yeah

2746
02:27:24,530 --> 02:27:22,681
yeah but they weren't gonna be talking

2747
02:27:29,320 --> 02:27:24,540
about it and the witnesses aren't making

2748
02:27:34,671 --> 02:27:29,330
a big noise and people haven't set up a

2749
02:27:37,100 --> 02:27:34,681
big Museum and sent out invitations to

2750
02:27:39,440 --> 02:27:37,110
come there and all the rest of that so I

2751
02:27:42,490 --> 02:27:39,450
like the case I've talked to some of the

2752
02:27:44,590 --> 02:27:42,500
people I was very favorably impressed

2753
02:27:47,620 --> 02:27:44,600
but what do I do after that yeah I know

2754
02:27:51,150 --> 02:27:47,630
I know it is shocking to me all right

2755
02:27:55,360 --> 02:27:51,160
one last parting shot across the bow

2756
02:28:01,440 --> 02:27:55,370
this evening before we part ways have

2757
02:28:06,100 --> 02:28:01,450
you seen or had your own sighting no

2758
02:28:08,320 --> 02:28:06,110
that's an easy one to answer as I said

2759
02:28:09,940 --> 02:28:08,330
earlier I've never seen a neutron or a

2760
02:28:12,370 --> 02:28:09,950
gamma-ray and I think they're real -

2761
02:28:14,740 --> 02:28:12,380
I've never seen a flying saucer I've

2762
02:28:17,260 --> 02:28:14,750
talked to loads of people who have and

2763
02:28:18,910 --> 02:28:17,270
you know maybe it's because I grew up in

2764
02:28:21,370 --> 02:28:18,920
New Jersey and there's a lot of smog

2765
02:28:25,450 --> 02:28:21,380
there and you're not looking out too

2766
02:28:28,980 --> 02:28:25,460
busy looking for traffic no I've never

2767
02:28:31,530 --> 02:28:28,990
had a sighting and I doesn't bother me

2768
02:28:35,440 --> 02:28:31,540
I've talked to enough people who have

2769
02:28:39,760 --> 02:28:35,450
and you know it's like the research on

2770
02:28:41,830 --> 02:28:39,770
this Betty Hill star map Zeta 1 and Zeta

2771
02:28:44,470 --> 02:28:41,840
2 reticular I know I haven't been there

2772
02:28:48,010 --> 02:28:44,480
I haven't talked I need Zeta Reticulans

2773
02:28:50,680 --> 02:28:48,020
but it's a strong story I'm very strong

2774
02:28:53,680 --> 02:28:50,690
story in the starmap work and all the

2775
02:28:56,290 --> 02:28:53,690
rest of that and so you know I wish I

2776
02:28:59,230 --> 02:28:56,300
could say that I had but I haven't and

2777
02:29:02,710 --> 02:28:59,240
that's the way life is to it and I

2778
02:29:08,100 --> 02:29:02,720
should give out my website is triple w

2779
02:29:12,180 --> 02:29:08,110
dot Stanton Friedman fr I DMA and calm

2780
02:29:17,410 --> 02:29:12,190
and get my books there are good deals

2781
02:29:20,740 --> 02:29:17,420
you know live it up educated Stanton

2782
02:29:23,290 --> 02:29:20,750
thank you for not only your contribution

2783
02:29:26,200 --> 02:29:23,300
to ufology but thank you for continuing

2784
02:29:29,710 --> 02:29:26,210
to roll that rock uphill you've been

2785
02:29:31,960 --> 02:29:29,720
doing it forever and just the respect is

2786
02:29:34,060 --> 02:29:31,970
there from all of us so thank you so

2787
02:29:35,710 --> 02:29:34,070
much and I can't wait - my pleasure

2788
02:29:37,630 --> 02:29:35,720
can't wait to get you back on the show

2789
02:29:38,560 --> 02:29:37,640
and continue the conversation thank you

2790
02:29:42,040 --> 02:29:38,570
so much okay

2791
02:29:45,160 --> 02:29:42,050
Thank You Stan good night Sam Stanton

2792
02:29:47,110 --> 02:29:45,170
Friedman everybody there you go I'm

2793
02:29:51,250 --> 02:29:47,120
gonna take a quick break I'm going to

2794
02:29:52,671 --> 02:29:51,260
also open up the phone lines so we'll do

2795
02:29:55,160 --> 02:29:52,681
that when we come back

2796
02:29:56,060 --> 02:29:55,170
Stanton Friedman amazing conversation

2797
02:29:59,121 --> 02:29:56,070
this is fade to black

2798
02:30:01,190 --> 02:29:59,131
day two of our UFO Week tomorrow night

2799
02:30:03,980 --> 02:30:01,200
buried Littleton is going to be here

2800
02:30:10,570 --> 02:30:03,990
alright gonna take your phone calls next

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2889
02:35:05,340 --> 02:35:02,710
what a great conversation Stanton T

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Friedman right there amazing

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conversation and could have gone out

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forever but you got to understand it's

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uh it's like four o'clock in the morning

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out there in a new brunswick but just an

2895
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amazing conversation thank you so much

2896
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for that stand and we'll do it again

2897
02:35:22,080 --> 02:35:19,420
soon

2898
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I've opened up the phone lines three two

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three eight to five five zero four or

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five or three to three to seven five

2901
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nine six nine five or eight one eight

2902
02:35:38,730 --> 02:35:33,790
nine to one six nine to nine and let's

2903
02:35:42,630 --> 02:35:38,740
go to area code for one for you're up

2904
02:35:44,040 --> 02:35:42,640
first on fade to black who's calling hi

2905
02:35:49,260 --> 02:35:44,050
Jimmy this is Baron

2906
02:35:53,400 --> 02:35:49,270
hi Brian how are you good good awesome

2907
02:35:55,890 --> 02:35:53,410
lineup this week yeah yeah just you know

2908
02:35:59,280 --> 02:35:55,900
Stan Friedman you know he's the best oh

2909
02:36:02,760 --> 02:35:59,290
so yeah yeah absolutely what's on your

2910
02:36:05,250 --> 02:36:02,770
mind Brian well I just want to tell you

2911
02:36:07,920 --> 02:36:05,260
on me I mean I'm the same age as you and

2912
02:36:10,830 --> 02:36:07,930
we're trying to find out the truth and

2913
02:36:13,830 --> 02:36:10,840
you're doing great job not gonna have

2914
02:36:17,250 --> 02:36:13,840
the ball right and when and as you

2915
02:36:19,440 --> 02:36:17,260
listened to Stanton tonight you know

2916
02:36:23,150 --> 02:36:19,450
what stood out for you for me there was

2917
02:36:27,990 --> 02:36:23,160
so much but what stood out for you Bob

2918
02:36:32,670 --> 02:36:28,000
he is pioneer he is the pioneer and

2919
02:36:34,410 --> 02:36:32,680
we're gonna finish his job that there

2920
02:36:37,440 --> 02:36:34,420
you know what I couldn't agree with you

2921
02:36:39,030 --> 02:36:37,450
more Brian and thank you thank you for

2922
02:36:41,270 --> 02:36:39,040
the phone call and I'm sure Stanton is

2923
02:36:42,840 --> 02:36:41,280
listening right now thank you so much

2924
02:36:45,900 --> 02:36:42,850
all right

2925
02:36:48,330 --> 02:36:45,910
yes thank you yeah thank you

2926
02:36:50,130 --> 02:36:48,340
let's stay right on the phones thank you

2927
02:36:53,310 --> 02:36:50,140
for that phone call Brian hi you're live

2928
02:36:59,870 --> 02:36:53,320
on fade to black who's calling hi Jimmy

2929
02:37:01,830 --> 02:36:59,880
this is mr. anonymous ak8 great time -

2930
02:37:06,250 --> 02:37:01,840
one

2931
02:37:08,520 --> 02:37:06,260
okay how are you Ray I'm terrific Jimmy

2932
02:37:11,290 --> 02:37:08,530
hey I really appreciate you guys getting

2933
02:37:14,740 --> 02:37:11,300
standing on tonight that was terrific

2934
02:37:19,120 --> 02:37:14,750
he's the best man he's the best and and

2935
02:37:21,700 --> 02:37:19,130
the the more that we get out of him the

2936
02:37:24,940 --> 02:37:21,710
better and I know you know there's so

2937
02:37:27,490 --> 02:37:24,950
much more that he that he knows and that

2938
02:37:29,920 --> 02:37:27,500
can offer us but you have to ask the

2939
02:37:32,610 --> 02:37:29,930
right questions I tried to try to do

2940
02:37:38,410 --> 02:37:35,530
you did great I mean you know a lot of

2941
02:37:40,801 --> 02:37:38,420
times you can almost deduce what what's

2942
02:37:43,390 --> 02:37:40,811
going on but what's not spoken about a

2943
02:37:46,270 --> 02:37:43,400
spoken word that's exactly right

2944
02:37:48,761 --> 02:37:46,280
that's exactly right and and Stanton

2945
02:37:53,430 --> 02:37:48,771
knows you know he's been there you know

2946
02:37:56,500 --> 02:37:53,440
the things and it goes without saying

2947
02:37:59,170 --> 02:37:56,510
ray but and thank you for the phone call

2948
02:38:01,960 --> 02:37:59,180
it goes without saying his research you

2949
02:38:05,320 --> 02:38:01,970
know going back to not only Roswell but

2950
02:38:08,770 --> 02:38:05,330
before that and Betty and Barney Hill

2951
02:38:10,480 --> 02:38:08,780
the mj-12 documents his relationship

2952
02:38:11,830 --> 02:38:10,490
with Bill more over the years and

2953
02:38:15,340 --> 02:38:11,840
Jaime's and array

2954
02:38:17,890 --> 02:38:15,350
he has he has seen it all he's seen it

2955
02:38:23,590 --> 02:38:17,900
all it's it's way beyond the scope and

2956
02:38:25,240 --> 02:38:23,600
we need to respect that and to to get

2957
02:38:28,240 --> 02:38:25,250
out of him tonight that he's sitting on

2958
02:38:29,980 --> 02:38:28,250
a document he's sitting on and he's

2959
02:38:33,120 --> 02:38:29,990
gonna take the time to find out what's

2960
02:38:37,150 --> 02:38:33,130
going on with it don't you want to know

2961
02:38:40,660 --> 02:38:37,160
48 pages man and and and it's a modern

2962
02:38:45,040 --> 02:38:40,670
document so well we'll get to those you

2963
02:38:47,710 --> 02:38:45,050
know I was I was at Aero testing my

2964
02:38:52,950 --> 02:38:47,720
hobby for all three or four years back

2965
02:38:56,590 --> 02:38:52,960
in the late 80s early 90s and we helped

2966
02:38:58,360 --> 02:38:56,600
take apart one of the m21 aircraft

2967
02:39:01,000 --> 02:38:58,370
that's know if it's a museum of flight

2968
02:39:02,970 --> 02:39:01,010
up in Seattle mm-hmm and it's a it's

2969
02:39:05,950 --> 02:39:02,980
basically a launch platform for

2970
02:39:08,170 --> 02:39:05,960
hypersonic vehicles we had a lot of fun

2971
02:39:10,420 --> 02:39:08,180
with it but in the process we discovered

2972
02:39:12,730 --> 02:39:10,430
that some of the engine functions were

2973
02:39:15,461 --> 02:39:12,740
still classified documents and we

2974
02:39:18,401 --> 02:39:15,471
couldn't release it well one of the guys

2975
02:39:20,230 --> 02:39:18,411
they're had experience at Lockheed went

2976
02:39:25,961 --> 02:39:20,240
over to Lockheed and managed to get

2977
02:39:28,001 --> 02:39:25,971
these documents Declassified and I still

2978
02:39:29,201 --> 02:39:28,011
have I still have some contacts with

2979
02:39:31,631 --> 02:39:29,211
these people

2980
02:39:32,381 --> 02:39:31,641
so I sent Stanton an email tonight

2981
02:39:34,451 --> 02:39:32,391
saying it

2982
02:39:36,491 --> 02:39:34,461
I'll do my best to look up and see if

2983
02:39:39,821 --> 02:39:36,501
any of my contacts are still alive

2984
02:39:43,001 --> 02:39:39,831
because you know at 64 I've lost a lot

2985
02:39:46,211 --> 02:39:43,011
of friends over the years and and that

2986
02:39:48,131 --> 02:39:46,221
was the same time period when I used to

2987
02:39:51,611 --> 02:39:48,141
go up to China late on a fairly regular

2988
02:39:54,701 --> 02:39:51,621
basis they had a really good AAA meeting

2989
02:39:57,551 --> 02:39:54,711
up there and I went oh every Thursday

2990
02:39:59,770 --> 02:39:57,561
and I happened to meet one of the

2991
02:40:03,520 --> 02:39:59,780
mechanical engineers that worked at

2992
02:40:06,071 --> 02:40:03,530
China Lake and I just casually mentioned

2993
02:40:10,621 --> 02:40:06,081
the mj-12 documents and he said well

2994
02:40:13,361 --> 02:40:10,631
I've got 20 years here in at China Lake

2995
02:40:16,680 --> 02:40:13,371
want to bring me a copy of them and I'll

2996
02:40:19,531 --> 02:40:16,690
check to find out if they're for real I

2997
02:40:23,371 --> 02:40:19,541
submitted them to him the next Thursday

2998
02:40:27,640 --> 02:40:23,381
and he took them he was gone for about

2999
02:40:30,251 --> 02:40:27,650
about a month when he came back he said

3000
02:40:35,081 --> 02:40:30,261
these are bonafide they're real which

3001
02:40:38,051 --> 02:40:35,091
ones did him look at I've got a copy son

3002
02:40:39,220 --> 02:40:38,061
in the computer I'm not that okay yeah

3003
02:40:41,321 --> 02:40:39,230
fair enough

3004
02:40:44,651 --> 02:40:41,331
yeah I'm curious about that I asked

3005
02:40:49,831 --> 02:40:44,661
Stanton about that many years ago both

3006
02:40:54,011 --> 02:40:49,841
on the record and off and he felt pretty

3007
02:40:59,321 --> 02:40:54,021
confident that the twining document was

3008
02:41:01,571 --> 02:40:59,331
authentic I think that a large chunk of

3009
02:41:04,361 --> 02:41:01,581
the mj-12 documents started to fall

3010
02:41:07,661 --> 02:41:04,371
apart and we also have to remember what

3011
02:41:10,331 --> 02:41:07,671
the sources were on that which you know

3012
02:41:13,151 --> 02:41:10,341
we're talking about Bill Moore and Jamie

3013
02:41:14,951 --> 02:41:13,161
SH and array and of course Stanton was

3014
02:41:17,350 --> 02:41:14,961
part of the revealing of that and did

3015
02:41:22,060 --> 02:41:17,360
the original press conferences about the

3016
02:41:25,511 --> 02:41:22,070
mj-12 documents I found them to be very

3017
02:41:28,451 --> 02:41:25,521
fun reading what what I thought was more

3018
02:41:29,511 --> 02:41:28,461
important about the mj-12 documents and

3019
02:41:33,040 --> 02:41:29,521
this is me

3020
02:41:36,020 --> 02:41:33,050
and I have talked to all of the players

3021
02:41:38,810 --> 02:41:36,030
involved with except for Bill Moore of

3022
02:41:42,320 --> 02:41:38,820
course in Jamie's Chanda ray but about

3023
02:41:47,990 --> 02:41:42,330
those and what I found most intriguing

3024
02:41:53,060 --> 02:41:48,000
was somebody somewhere had the ability

3025
02:41:57,261 --> 02:41:53,070
to get the correct typewriter to type

3026
02:41:58,730 --> 02:41:57,271
the right verbage to put it together and

3027
02:42:01,301 --> 02:41:58,740
get the right stamps together in the

3028
02:42:04,070 --> 02:42:01,311
right chain of command and to get it all

3029
02:42:05,091 --> 02:42:04,080
authentic looking to the point where it

3030
02:42:10,250 --> 02:42:05,101
stumped

3031
02:42:12,320 --> 02:42:10,260
the military and out now the FBI of

3032
02:42:15,890 --> 02:42:12,330
course on their own website as stamp

3033
02:42:17,870 --> 02:42:15,900
them all as as being fake and you can go

3034
02:42:21,560 --> 02:42:17,880
and look at the mj-12 documents on the

3035
02:42:24,171 --> 02:42:21,570
FBI website but that being said a great

3036
02:42:27,320 --> 02:42:24,181
effort was put into this and so you have

3037
02:42:31,850 --> 02:42:27,330
to go back and look at the possibilities

3038
02:42:33,860 --> 02:42:31,860
of a Doty being involved be an agency

3039
02:42:37,160 --> 02:42:33,870
being involved or see maybe the Air

3040
02:42:39,290 --> 02:42:37,170
Force themselves directly being involved

3041
02:42:43,370 --> 02:42:39,300
in the creation of the mj-12 documents I

3042
02:42:47,091 --> 02:42:43,380
could be completely off-base here but it

3043
02:42:49,280 --> 02:42:47,101
seems like there was a lot of to put

3044
02:42:52,761 --> 02:42:49,290
those documents together I don't think

3045
02:42:55,671 --> 02:42:52,771
it was one person or two people sitting

3046
02:42:57,860 --> 02:42:55,681
at a typewriter typing in some room

3047
02:43:00,830 --> 02:42:57,870
until they got a correct document you

3048
02:43:03,310 --> 02:43:00,840
know without mistakes because it's a

3049
02:43:08,120 --> 02:43:03,320
typewriter you can't make a mistake and

3050
02:43:12,620 --> 02:43:08,130
I think that there was a large group of

3051
02:43:15,711 --> 02:43:12,630
people together on it and so I think

3052
02:43:17,720 --> 02:43:15,721
that is probably as important as the

3053
02:43:20,660 --> 02:43:17,730
documents themselves being real in that

3054
02:43:23,211 --> 02:43:20,670
why would the government be involved in

3055
02:43:26,060 --> 02:43:23,221
a massive disinformation campaign like

3056
02:43:28,580 --> 02:43:26,070
that and that's my tape you know I I

3057
02:43:30,980 --> 02:43:28,590
just I find that just as intriguing as

3058
02:43:33,261 --> 02:43:30,990
you know I'm not worried about UFOs

3059
02:43:34,430 --> 02:43:33,271
being real or ETS being real I know that

3060
02:43:37,160 --> 02:43:34,440
we're not alone in the universe and

3061
02:43:39,620 --> 02:43:37,170
we're being visited so why would why

3062
02:43:41,331 --> 02:43:39,630
would somebody go and create the mj-12

3063
02:43:45,640 --> 02:43:41,341
document

3064
02:43:48,700 --> 02:43:45,650
quite possibly from our own government

3065
02:43:51,591 --> 02:43:48,710
with the interest of disinformation and

3066
02:43:55,551 --> 02:43:51,601
scaring the crap out of people I think

3067
02:43:59,660 --> 02:43:55,561
that's a bigger story you know that the

3068
02:44:05,301 --> 02:43:59,670
whole thing is very very confusing in in

3069
02:44:09,680 --> 02:44:05,311
86 and I tweet out tonight on that in 86

3070
02:44:13,700 --> 02:44:09,690
I worked at for California microwave and

3071
02:44:15,560 --> 02:44:13,710
that was a CIA company mm-hmm and and we

3072
02:44:21,350 --> 02:44:15,570
were involved with a project out at

3073
02:44:23,660 --> 02:44:21,360
Point Mugu I worked with the who was at

3074
02:44:27,081 --> 02:44:23,670
one time the director of CIA ops over in

3075
02:44:31,730 --> 02:44:27,091
Europe and I worked with Jim Sullivan

3076
02:44:34,341 --> 02:44:31,740
who was an sr-71 pilot and said set lots

3077
02:44:36,980 --> 02:44:34,351
of Records and all kinds of neat things

3078
02:44:40,011 --> 02:44:36,990
I mean these these guys were up there

3079
02:44:41,990 --> 02:44:40,021
and Joe Russell was vice-president of

3080
02:44:45,671 --> 02:44:42,000
the company at the time and Dave leasing

3081
02:44:49,610 --> 02:44:45,681
was the president I never met him but

3082
02:44:51,980 --> 02:44:49,620
these guys you can talk to him he could

3083
02:44:55,190 --> 02:44:51,990
be around him you would never know what

3084
02:44:57,051 --> 02:44:55,200
they know I mean you can have

3085
02:45:00,081 --> 02:44:57,061
conversations about everything and you

3086
02:45:02,301 --> 02:45:00,091
try to catch subtleties from them and

3087
02:45:04,910 --> 02:45:02,311
try to figure out okay you know who's

3088
02:45:07,220 --> 02:45:04,920
got et context you know anybody who's

3089
02:45:09,171 --> 02:45:07,230
flying up above 90,000 feet I said ET

3090
02:45:12,410 --> 02:45:09,181
contact us sometime sure

3091
02:45:14,900 --> 02:45:12,420
so they've got stories up the wazoo bit

3092
02:45:18,440 --> 02:45:14,910
that never reached the papers and they

3093
02:45:20,091 --> 02:45:18,450
just act like it's ho-hum you know and

3094
02:45:23,030 --> 02:45:20,101
I'm they're trying to get a clue as to

3095
02:45:24,860 --> 02:45:23,040
what's really going on and they don't if

3096
02:45:27,950 --> 02:45:24,870
they don't flinch yeah

3097
02:45:30,261 --> 02:45:27,960
it's a piece of cake the the only issue

3098
02:45:33,350 --> 02:45:30,271
I had is like what stan had with with

3099
02:45:35,541 --> 02:45:33,360
his 48 pages right now is he doesn't

3100
02:45:38,570 --> 02:45:35,551
know if they're for real well the

3101
02:45:40,970 --> 02:45:38,580
project I was on when I left I tried to

3102
02:45:43,251 --> 02:45:40,980
get debris from NSA and I called him up

3103
02:45:45,291 --> 02:45:43,261
and I said hey you know this is I work

3104
02:45:47,030 --> 02:45:45,301
to the projects here lieutenant

3105
02:45:50,240 --> 02:45:47,040
commander running was in charge of the

3106
02:45:52,940 --> 02:45:50,250
project and I need to be the greased

3107
02:45:54,529 --> 02:45:52,950
well they looked in is they said over

3108
02:45:57,559 --> 02:45:54,539
the phone well we'll have to

3109
02:45:59,569 --> 02:45:57,569
you act about 15/20 hunt they called me

3110
02:46:02,329 --> 02:45:59,579
back they said we don't have any record

3111
02:46:03,229 --> 02:46:02,339
of any project we can't tell you

3112
02:46:06,229 --> 02:46:03,239
anything

3113
02:46:09,139 --> 02:46:06,239
and I'm like gee thanks a lot buddy

3114
02:46:13,819 --> 02:46:09,149
right right and you were there well see

3115
02:46:16,129 --> 02:46:13,829
that just goes to show you you know it's

3116
02:46:18,319 --> 02:46:16,139
easy to hear between the lines there

3117
02:46:21,559 --> 02:46:18,329
which was you know keep your mouth shut

3118
02:46:24,229 --> 02:46:21,569
and now they know who you are so you go

3119
02:46:25,579 --> 02:46:24,239
oh yeah that's the thing they think you

3120
02:46:28,219 --> 02:46:25,589
know where that they know where I've

3121
02:46:30,679 --> 02:46:28,229
been ever since day one it's not an

3122
02:46:33,139 --> 02:46:30,689
issue you know they wouldn't waste men

3123
02:46:36,769 --> 02:46:33,149
and black hanging out on my front porch

3124
02:46:39,589 --> 02:46:36,779
it'd be a waste of their time ray thank

3125
02:46:42,139 --> 02:46:39,599
you thank you for the phone call and you

3126
02:46:44,239 --> 02:46:42,149
need to call in this Thursday on our UFO

3127
02:46:45,729 --> 02:46:44,249
Fator night and we'll take this

3128
02:46:48,439 --> 02:46:45,739
conversation a step further

3129
02:46:51,859 --> 02:46:48,449
you got it Jimmy thank you Ray have a

3130
02:46:53,749 --> 02:46:51,869
great night thank you you kiddo that's a

3131
02:46:55,309 --> 02:46:53,759
great phone call right there that's what

3132
02:46:57,109 --> 02:46:55,319
I'm talking about man I love this

3133
02:46:59,149 --> 02:46:57,119
audience let's go back to the phones

3134
02:47:01,699 --> 02:46:59,159
let's go to area code right here in Los

3135
02:47:07,839 --> 02:47:01,709
Angeles 3-1 oh you're up next on fade to

3136
02:47:24,469 --> 02:47:19,760
area code 3 100 lost that call yeah 3 2

3137
02:47:28,819 --> 02:47:24,479
3 8 2 5 5 0 4 5 3 2 3 2 7 5 9 6 9 5 8 1

3138
02:47:31,039 --> 02:47:28,829
8 9 - 1 6 9 - 9 I could squeeze in a

3139
02:47:36,439 --> 02:47:31,049
couple more calls I just went through

3140
02:47:39,229 --> 02:47:36,449
all of those the 48 page document and if

3141
02:47:41,299 --> 02:47:39,239
you're just dialing in staunton the

3142
02:47:45,019 --> 02:47:41,309
question was this and it was a simple

3143
02:47:48,199 --> 02:47:45,029
one Stan are you sitting on information

3144
02:47:51,889 --> 02:47:48,209
that you haven't talked about you know

3145
02:47:57,439 --> 02:47:51,899
what is it you know are you sitting on

3146
02:48:02,379 --> 02:47:57,449
the stuff and he said I was mailed in a

3147
02:48:05,590 --> 02:48:02,389
paraphrase here he says I was mailed a

3148
02:48:10,689 --> 02:48:05,600
document that

3149
02:48:13,869 --> 02:48:10,699
didn't have a return address and I asked

3150
02:48:16,119 --> 02:48:13,879
him he said that the document discussed

3151
02:48:20,349 --> 02:48:16,129
all of this first off the second

3152
02:48:22,809 --> 02:48:20,359
mentioned an interview with an ET and I

3153
02:48:25,779 --> 02:48:22,819
found that interesting and then he

3154
02:48:31,510 --> 02:48:25,789
further went on to say that the document

3155
02:48:33,250 --> 02:48:31,520
is modern about 20 years old this 2018

3156
02:48:36,569 --> 02:48:33,260
so that'll put the document at around

3157
02:48:42,119 --> 02:48:36,579
1998 he didn't remember the exact date

3158
02:48:47,319 --> 02:48:42,129
he then went on to say that it was 48

3159
02:48:51,159 --> 02:48:47,329
pages I asked him if he has spoken to

3160
02:48:53,319 --> 02:48:51,169
anyone about this document and he

3161
02:48:55,420 --> 02:48:53,329
doesn't think so I brought up John

3162
02:48:57,849 --> 02:48:55,430
Greenwald because I know that John and

3163
02:49:02,409 --> 02:48:57,859
Stanton have known each other for years

3164
02:49:05,710 --> 02:49:02,419
and of course John Greenwald runs the

3165
02:49:07,779 --> 02:49:05,720
black vault and he is the document

3166
02:49:11,019 --> 02:49:07,789
expert so if you have something you're

3167
02:49:13,779 --> 02:49:11,029
gonna run it by John Greenwald first and

3168
02:49:16,029 --> 02:49:13,789
I have I have called John a few times

3169
02:49:18,189 --> 02:49:16,039
over the years when I have stumbled

3170
02:49:21,790 --> 02:49:18,199
across something and he is indeed the

3171
02:49:24,489 --> 02:49:21,800
first person then I call so Stanton's

3172
02:49:27,250 --> 02:49:24,499
retirement is eminent he's got two more

3173
02:49:30,510 --> 02:49:27,260
conferences he is going to do the last

3174
02:49:33,340 --> 02:49:30,520
one doesn't know is in January and then

3175
02:49:34,929 --> 02:49:33,350
he's gonna put all of his attention on

3176
02:49:38,439 --> 02:49:34,939
to this document

3177
02:49:40,750 --> 02:49:38,449
I can't wait to to not only see it but

3178
02:49:43,269 --> 02:49:40,760
of course its contents and I will be in

3179
02:49:46,659 --> 02:49:43,279
touch with John Greenwald first thing

3180
02:49:49,510 --> 02:49:46,669
tomorrow to discuss this I do want to

3181
02:49:52,659 --> 02:49:49,520
know if stan has given him access to it

3182
02:49:56,229 --> 02:49:52,669
so there you go one of the big reveals

3183
02:49:59,079 --> 02:49:56,239
tonight on this show was that Stan

3184
02:50:01,119 --> 02:49:59,089
Friedman has a document that he has had

3185
02:50:04,569 --> 02:50:01,129
for about two years

3186
02:50:06,460 --> 02:50:04,579
48 pages and modern let's go back to the

3187
02:50:09,369 --> 02:50:06,470
phones hi you're live on fade to black

3188
02:50:11,679 --> 02:50:09,379
who's calling hi Jamie its Deb from

3189
02:50:16,420 --> 02:50:11,689
Sacramento hi Deb from Sacramento how

3190
02:50:18,849 --> 02:50:16,430
are you it's like if you fill in the

3191
02:50:22,479 --> 02:50:18,859
blanks on that one that was uh

3192
02:50:24,519 --> 02:50:22,489
you know I I have to say Deb I do this

3193
02:50:27,369 --> 02:50:24,529
nearly every single night of the week

3194
02:50:28,809 --> 02:50:27,379
and I anticipated this kind of show

3195
02:50:31,540 --> 02:50:28,819
tonight but Wow

3196
02:50:33,969 --> 02:50:31,550
you know Stanton Friedman I could just

3197
02:50:39,219 --> 02:50:33,979
sit and talk to him forever I did I did

3198
02:50:41,439 --> 02:50:39,229
I did try I did attempt to buy him some

3199
02:50:44,619 --> 02:50:41,449
martinis you know and I just thought man

3200
02:50:49,859 --> 02:50:44,629
here's my shot it's Danton and I myself

3201
02:50:53,349 --> 02:50:49,869
read a few of our friends in the snow

3202
02:51:00,399 --> 02:50:53,359
right up there Big Bear and let's go and

3203
02:51:03,880 --> 02:51:00,409
I now he bought we had food we ate we

3204
02:51:05,679 --> 02:51:03,890
had fun but I just couldn't I tried to

3205
02:51:07,420 --> 02:51:05,689
get him out of his box that night and it

3206
02:51:09,819 --> 02:51:07,430
just didn't happen it didn't happen he

3207
02:51:12,670 --> 02:51:09,829
way you know loose lips sink ships he

3208
02:51:15,580 --> 02:51:12,680
saw through me like a clean piece of

3209
02:51:18,519 --> 02:51:15,590
glass yeah you know exactly what I was

3210
02:51:21,179 --> 02:51:18,529
trying to do so would you show what do

3211
02:51:22,989 --> 02:51:21,189
you think oh it's great you know I

3212
02:51:25,029 --> 02:51:22,999
really want to know more about that

3213
02:51:27,279 --> 02:51:25,039
document of course of the alien

3214
02:51:28,510 --> 02:51:27,289
interview that would be fascinating but

3215
02:51:31,210 --> 02:51:28,520
you know the first time I ever saw

3216
02:51:32,979 --> 02:51:31,220
Stanton Freeman was back in the 80s I

3217
02:51:34,719 --> 02:51:32,989
had never heard I wasn't into the UFO

3218
02:51:36,219 --> 02:51:34,729
thing back then and I remember turning

3219
02:51:38,949 --> 02:51:36,229
on Larry King Live and they were having

3220
02:51:41,649 --> 02:51:38,959
a show on Rendlesham and he was part of

3221
02:51:44,619 --> 02:51:41,659
the panel that was talking about

3222
02:51:48,449 --> 02:51:44,629
Rendlesham forest and the incident there

3223
02:51:52,389 --> 02:51:48,459
and there were three of them actually oh

3224
02:51:54,279 --> 02:51:52,399
gosh Penniston was another one and then

3225
02:51:56,739 --> 02:51:54,289
there was someone else too and then

3226
02:51:58,149 --> 02:51:56,749
there was the skeptic guy and he was so

3227
02:52:00,189 --> 02:51:58,159
annoying and I couldn't remember his

3228
02:52:02,920 --> 02:52:00,199
name but you know here are these

3229
02:52:04,960 --> 02:52:02,930
educated credible people with all this

3230
02:52:06,729 --> 02:52:04,970
evidence talking about this thing and

3231
02:52:09,670 --> 02:52:06,739
then there's the skeptic who's sitting

3232
02:52:10,929 --> 02:52:09,680
there just spewing total nonsense and

3233
02:52:12,399 --> 02:52:10,939
doesn't even know what he's talking

3234
02:52:15,279 --> 02:52:12,409
about and that's what first

3235
02:52:17,050 --> 02:52:15,289
kind of got me interested you know

3236
02:52:18,819 --> 02:52:17,060
what's going on here what's this all

3237
02:52:21,429 --> 02:52:18,829
about and then shortly after that the

3238
02:52:22,960 --> 02:52:21,439
whole bob lazar thing broke in 89 so

3239
02:52:24,819 --> 02:52:22,970
that kind of had me hooked and then I

3240
02:52:27,939 --> 02:52:24,829
had been following it ever since here

3241
02:52:29,710 --> 02:52:27,949
and there so yeah it was it was an

3242
02:52:32,380 --> 02:52:29,720
interesting panel to watch and really

3243
02:52:37,570 --> 02:52:32,390
got my attention way back then

3244
02:52:40,479 --> 02:52:37,580
was it was it Philip class was that who

3245
02:52:42,849 --> 02:52:40,489
the sceptic was you know can you

3246
02:52:44,439 --> 02:52:42,859
physically describe a moustache kind of

3247
02:52:47,260 --> 02:52:44,449
a frumpy old guy

3248
02:52:50,110 --> 02:52:47,270
looks like he was wearing a toupee very

3249
02:52:56,969 --> 02:52:50,120
nasal type of boys very annoying kind of

3250
02:53:08,410 --> 02:53:01,139
Phil Phil had glasses and was bald I

3251
02:53:11,349 --> 02:53:08,420
don't remember him having a mustache but

3252
02:53:14,170 --> 02:53:11,359
certainly him and Stanton went

3253
02:53:16,719 --> 02:53:14,180
toe-to-toe many times over the years it

3254
02:53:18,670 --> 02:53:16,729
got ugly it may it may have been him I

3255
02:53:20,439 --> 02:53:18,680
might be remembering a different skeptic

3256
02:53:22,719 --> 02:53:20,449
but I just remember him being so

3257
02:53:24,880 --> 02:53:22,729
completely annoying that you know I just

3258
02:53:30,820 --> 02:53:24,890
wanted to when I won the guys to haul

3259
02:53:33,729 --> 02:53:30,830
off and hit I mean he's terrible maybe

3260
02:53:36,370 --> 02:53:33,739
Kevin Randall he was you know what I bet

3261
02:53:38,769 --> 02:53:36,380
it's on YouTube yeah probably is it

3262
02:53:41,110 --> 02:53:38,779
probably yeah well there you go

3263
02:53:44,139 --> 02:53:41,120
anything else on your mind before I run

3264
02:53:45,939 --> 02:53:44,149
credits yeah did you follow up with

3265
02:53:49,929 --> 02:53:45,949
Emory today and talk with him at all I

3266
02:53:53,590 --> 02:53:49,939
did not very very very busy day around

3267
02:53:55,660 --> 02:53:53,600
here on all fronts and so no I did I

3268
02:53:58,030 --> 02:53:55,670
didn't get around to communicating with

3269
02:53:59,469 --> 02:53:58,040
Emory why what should I hit with a

3270
02:54:01,059 --> 02:53:59,479
little bit of information you're trying

3271
02:54:03,820 --> 02:54:01,069
to wiggle out of him last night it's

3272
02:54:04,929 --> 02:54:03,830
like in your like Emory and you said

3273
02:54:07,240 --> 02:54:04,939
well I'll talk to you tomorrow

3274
02:54:08,950 --> 02:54:07,250
and I think the reason will your

3275
02:54:11,620 --> 02:54:08,960
question was what could you possibly

3276
02:54:13,540 --> 02:54:11,630
disclose that could be more amazing than

3277
02:54:15,490 --> 02:54:13,550
the things you've already told us right

3278
02:54:16,570 --> 02:54:15,500
and he couldn't say and I think the

3279
02:54:18,130 --> 02:54:16,580
reason I don't think he's trying to

3280
02:54:20,290 --> 02:54:18,140
taunt us or anything like that I find

3281
02:54:22,000 --> 02:54:20,300
him extremely credible and honest but he

3282
02:54:23,979 --> 02:54:22,010
was talking about how they have to be

3283
02:54:26,080 --> 02:54:23,989
responsible the only thing that I can

3284
02:54:27,729 --> 02:54:26,090
think of as to why he can't tell us

3285
02:54:30,250 --> 02:54:27,739
whatever it is it's even more

3286
02:54:32,469 --> 02:54:30,260
extraordinary is because when they

3287
02:54:34,570 --> 02:54:32,479
disclose whatever it is and I can't even

3288
02:54:36,550 --> 02:54:34,580
imagine what it is they don't want to

3289
02:54:39,399 --> 02:54:36,560
frighten people and they have to have

3290
02:54:41,950 --> 02:54:39,409
like a backup to say but we know for

3291
02:54:43,870 --> 02:54:41,960
sure that that they can reassure people

3292
02:54:45,700 --> 02:54:43,880
but it's not going to like not only blow

3293
02:54:47,770 --> 02:54:45,710
their minds but frighten the public

3294
02:54:49,690 --> 02:54:47,780
that's my thing I can think of us white

3295
02:54:52,631 --> 02:54:49,700
I can't say certain things yeah that's

3296
02:54:54,551 --> 02:54:52,641
that's a possibility I don't think I'm

3297
02:54:56,680 --> 02:54:54,561
comfortable just like Stanton sent and I

3298
02:54:59,261 --> 02:54:56,690
don't think we would freak the public

3299
02:55:01,751 --> 02:54:59,271
out you know what would freak the public

3300
02:55:04,450 --> 02:55:01,761
out not that et is here but that there

3301
02:55:06,100 --> 02:55:04,460
is a fleet of battle cruisers on their

3302
02:55:08,051 --> 02:55:06,110
way to Planet Earth and we've got five

3303
02:55:09,341 --> 02:55:08,061
years to say goodbye to our loved ones

3304
02:55:10,001 --> 02:55:09,351
because they're gonna come here blow up

3305
02:55:12,730 --> 02:55:10,011
the planet

3306
02:55:16,570 --> 02:55:12,740
now that would freak everybody out but

3307
02:55:19,360 --> 02:55:16,580
the college of ET being here or visiting

3308
02:55:23,100 --> 02:55:19,370
and you know what whatever crash saucers

3309
02:55:24,940 --> 02:55:23,110
we've got ET in jail right now and we're

3310
02:55:28,780 --> 02:55:24,950
waterboarding them that's not gonna

3311
02:55:30,280 --> 02:55:28,790
freakin I just want the technology to

3312
02:55:32,051 --> 02:55:30,290
hurry up and be disclosed because we

3313
02:55:34,240 --> 02:55:32,061
need to do the life extension so that

3314
02:55:36,190 --> 02:55:34,250
Stanton's around into his hundreds

3315
02:55:39,160 --> 02:55:36,200
because mine's like that we can't afford

3316
02:55:40,871 --> 02:55:39,170
to lose and I'm afraid of loot like with

3317
02:55:42,490 --> 02:55:40,881
William Tompkins I just want the older

3318
02:55:44,770 --> 02:55:42,500
people they have all this knowledge like

3319
02:55:46,480 --> 02:55:44,780
Linda Moulton Howe and we want to hang

3320
02:55:47,950 --> 02:55:46,490
on to those people so if they're going

3321
02:55:50,261 --> 02:55:47,960
to do this life extension they need to

3322
02:55:54,480 --> 02:55:50,271
hurry it up yeah you know I'm so

3323
02:55:59,650 --> 02:55:54,490
appreciative my my time with Stanton

3324
02:56:03,930 --> 02:55:59,660
probably probably four or five maybe six

3325
02:56:07,240 --> 02:56:03,940
times I was able to literally sit

3326
02:56:09,310 --> 02:56:07,250
shoulder-to-shoulder with them for a

3327
02:56:12,551 --> 02:56:09,320
couple of hours at a stretch alone you

3328
02:56:14,950 --> 02:56:12,561
know and to sit and talk you know just

3329
02:56:17,950 --> 02:56:14,960
sit just sit and rap and and I've

3330
02:56:21,220 --> 02:56:17,960
actually been able to do that and I'm

3331
02:56:24,220 --> 02:56:21,230
just I'll cherish that forever you know

3332
02:56:27,761 --> 02:56:24,230
and I'm just so thankful and and that

3333
02:56:32,770 --> 02:56:27,771
you know he's 84 and that conversation

3334
02:56:36,160 --> 02:56:32,780
that we just had that that was with the

3335
02:56:39,881 --> 02:56:36,170
that wasn't the 84 year old mind that we

3336
02:56:41,171 --> 02:56:39,891
perceived to be 84 my mom is 84 and let

3337
02:56:43,230 --> 02:56:41,181
me tell you it's like night and day

3338
02:56:45,730 --> 02:56:43,240
between talking to her and talking to

3339
02:56:49,961 --> 02:56:45,740
Stanton Friedman it's lightly so start

3340
02:56:52,600 --> 02:56:49,971
right right right yeah I'm 55 I'm 55 and

3341
02:56:54,011 --> 02:56:52,610
I'm not that sharp so there you go and

3342
02:56:57,850 --> 02:56:54,021
you're looking anywhere looking spell

3343
02:56:59,310 --> 02:56:57,860
Jimmy yeah you know a lot I've lost a

3344
02:57:01,621 --> 02:56:59,320
little weight and I feel

3345
02:57:03,480 --> 02:57:01,631
I do I feel great what a great diet I

3346
02:57:05,131 --> 02:57:03,490
got to get out of here roll credits tab

3347
02:57:07,770 --> 02:57:05,141
I'll see you tomorrow night okay

3348
02:57:10,470 --> 02:57:07,780
absolutely take care Jimmy have a great

3349
02:57:13,701 --> 02:57:10,480
night great conversation tonight you

3350
02:57:16,831 --> 02:57:13,711
will fo week here on fade to black and

3351
02:57:20,011 --> 02:57:16,841
not only last night with Emory Smith and

3352
02:57:21,480 --> 02:57:20,021
tonight with Stanton Friedman and that's

3353
02:57:25,251 --> 02:57:21,490
all that's all cool

3354
02:57:27,060 --> 02:57:25,261
it's been great tomorrow night Barry

3355
02:57:30,211 --> 02:57:27,070
Littleton is here

3356
02:57:34,650 --> 02:57:30,221
Barry Littleton now not only as he had a

3357
02:57:37,860 --> 02:57:34,660
life of contact but his experiences and

3358
02:57:40,621 --> 02:57:37,870
his contact going through to today are

3359
02:57:43,711 --> 02:57:40,631
all extraordinary but it goes beyond

3360
02:57:47,220 --> 02:57:43,721
that there is a reason why Barry

3361
02:57:49,171 --> 02:57:47,230
Littleton is here for day three of UFO

3362
02:57:51,900 --> 02:57:49,181
Week unpaid to black you're not gonna

3363
02:57:53,881 --> 02:57:51,910
want to miss tomorrow night I'm your

3364
02:57:55,860 --> 02:57:53,891
host Jimmy church-state the blacks

3365
02:57:57,661 --> 02:57:55,870
executive producers ritika Maria on

3366
02:57:59,820 --> 02:57:57,671
shows produced by him Jay Paul Rene

3367
02:58:02,511 --> 02:57:59,830
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3368
02:58:06,451 --> 02:58:02,521
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3369
02:58:09,270 --> 02:58:06,461
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3370
02:58:11,671 --> 02:58:09,280
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3371
02:58:17,511 --> 02:58:11,681
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3372
02:58:22,291 --> 02:58:17,521
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3373
02:58:27,170 --> 02:58:22,301
thank you to Stanton T Friedman Twitter

3374
02:58:30,529 --> 02:58:27,180
was on fire Thank You great phone calls

3375
02:58:32,989 --> 02:58:30,539
so thankful this broadcast is own a

3376
02:58:35,029 --> 02:58:32,999
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3377
02:58:37,130 --> 02:58:35,039
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3378
02:58:39,229 --> 02:58:37,140
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3379
02:58:41,090 --> 02:58:39,239
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3380
02:58:43,399 --> 02:58:41,100
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3381
02:58:46,069 --> 02:58:43,409
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3382
02:58:49,849 --> 02:58:46,079
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3383
02:58:54,189 --> 02:58:49,859
at Jay Church radio until tomorrow night

3384
02:58:56,470 --> 02:58:54,199
with Barry Littleton everybody be saved

3385
02:59:04,710 --> 02:58:56,480
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